More sharingan

[anarexic-cyborg.livejournal.com]

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Here are some pics comparing the two Mangekyo Sharingan's..

Itachi Mangekyo Sharingan		Kakashi Mangekyo Sharingan

I don't think that Itachi was lying to Sasuke. But maybe the ancient scrolls don't contain all the information. Maybe there is more then one way to get the Mangekyo Sharingan, or different forms of it.
Kakashi is an intelligent ninja, so with a combination of being exposed to Itachi's Mangekyo Sharingan, some training over the time jump and maybe some research or investigation, it looks like he has come up with his own version of the Mangekyo Sharingan.

I believe that Kakashi has got a version of the Mangekyo Sharingan. It is different from Itachi's but it also very similar too.
The fact that the 3 commas have joined to form a whole pupil in both cases, and also Kakashi can use (although not properly) Tsukuyomi, the genjitsu technique, makes me believe that he has got a Mangekyo Sharingan.

BUT, Kakashi has to use a hand seal to active his Mangekyo Sharingan, where as (as far as I know), Itachi doesn't.
They also have a different appearance.

Something else that comes to mind. Around the time that Itachi and Kisame come to Konoha, either during the battle with Itachi or after it, Kakashi says that the more you use the Mangekyo Sharingan, the more it impares your normal vision and sends you blind.
This makes me think that Kakashi already has his Mangekyo Sharingan at this point in time, which is really early on in the series. Otherwise how could he know that it sends you blind from using it too much? Does he have access to the Uchiha ancient scrolls? Or did he just get that information from the battle with Itachi?

Also, when was the last time we saw Itachi without his sharingan on? Not since he killed his clan.
So is Itachi going blind? Who knows.

But, in the manga, when Kakashi reveals his Mangekyo Sharingan, he says something to the extent of, that he has obtained it during the time skip or something to that effect.
So I don't know what to believe.

Comments

[hikari-cyhan.livejournal.com]

When do we find out that Kakashi can use Tsukiyomi?

Also, Itachi can do single-handed seals, and he does them without moving the rest of his arm, keeping his hands hidden in his sleeves. I think it's safe to assume that he has to use a kata.

[fork-my-eye.livejournal.com]

Hmmm. If Itachi went blind I think I'd never stop laughing. It would be hillarious to no end. anyway. so if there are three people capable of the mangekyou it must be sasuke itachi and kakashi. they all seem to have a different level of the sharingan. maybe kakashi can't use the same techniques as itachi... because he only has one sharingan? he also doesn't have uchiha blood flowing in his viens so that might effect him too.

we still have no clue what sasuke's capable off...

i think kakashi's eye is prettier ^_^ *frolics off*

[reservoir.livejournal.com]

It wasn't three people capable of magenkyou, Itachi told Sasuke that if he achieved it, there would be three people that had attained it. Obviously Itachi is one, and we're not sure who the other one is-it's doubtful that it's Kakashi, since he only recently obtained a different form of magenkyou in the manga. There are a lot of theories as to who the other person might be, but there's been no definite evidence as to who it is.

As for Sasuke, he hasn't attained it yet, at least as far as we know. When he reappears in the manga, I'm confident we'll find out pretty quickly whether or not he has it.

[rasenth.livejournal.com]

Well, Itachi's Sharingan does turn off after he had to use the black flame technique (I forgot the real name of the jutsu o_O) to escape Jiraiya's toad stomach jutsu (I also forgot the name for this jutsu too. >.>).

And yah, there is a chance that Kakashi did kill one of his friends. Seriously, they never explained what happened to Rin, and I see hardly anybody who even questions that. Yah, it's natural to be skeptical and say, "Why the CRAP would he kill Rin?" But who knows? Maybe that's why he got the Mangekyou? Hmmm.

But for the different pattern for the Mangekyou? I have no idea. XD; Maybe it's unique for each person? It seems Kakashi has a different ability for his Mangekyou (a strange rip in the space-time continuum, what the shanizzle?)... I wonder if Sasuke will have a different Mangekyou too, well, if he ever gets one.

[hangookmoongurl.livejournal.com]

The way that the mangekyou is used for its respective users are different as well. Itachi controls more of the ninjutsu-ish stuff whereas Kakashi's mangekyou seems to deal much more with physical properties than it does with anything else.

I still have a feeling that they're very different from each other and that we can only credit Kakashi's genius for being able to develop his eye that way. It is definitely a different version of the mangekyou, as similar as they appear.

Itachi is going blind, as Kakashi has mentioned. OH THE IRONY. *Runs away from Itachi fangirls*

[sailorzelda.livejournal.com]

As to the question of whether or not Itachi is going blind, I'm of the opinion that he is and has been for quite some time.

In the manga, where Kakashi encounters Itachi for the first time after the time jump (chapter 256, I believe), he asks Itachi how far his eyesight has deteriorated. And Itachi's just kind of silent about it... And in chapter 263, Itachi is asked what the Kyuubi Jin-Chuuriki looks like, and even when prodded, he only says something to the effect of 'he'll be the loud one that comes at you first.' The Akatsuki people seems kind of like, WTF don't you have anything more specific? after that... And if Itachi had actually seen Naruto those three years ago, wouldn't he at least be able to say something about his appearance?

Yeah, just my two cents... ^_^

good points...

[thefallacious.livejournal.com]

i think when kakashi said that it impairs vision, he only means him. since, after all, that isn't really his eye. he got it from Obito-kun... =)

[alinajames.livejournal.com]

Hmm... probably each person (Uchiha one, i mean) has it`s own version of Mangekyo Sharingan?..

[cutemew.livejournal.com]

don't SAY that! for Saucegay to get mangekyou power, he'd have to off the TITLE CHARACTER (my beautiful Naruto lololol)

NEVER IN A MILLION YEEERS

[anarexic-cyborg.livejournal.com]

"hidden room we see Sasuke going to occasionally. Maybe Sasuke even told him about it. He did train with Kakashi more exclusively than the rest of Team 7. "

When do we see this?

[anarexic-cyborg.livejournal.com]

"Itachi told Sasuke that if he achieved it, there would be three people that had attained it."

When I first heard that, I thought that the 3 Itachi was referring too were,

1. Himself
2. The clan member that obtained the magenkyou in the ancient Unchiha scrolls
3. Sasuke

I assumed that when Itachi was talking to Sasuke, we didnt even think of Kakashi because he doesn't have Uchiha blood.

The reason I came to this conclusion is because Itachi uses past tense.
"Itachi told Sasuke that if he achieved it, there would be three people that had attained it. "

[anarexic-cyborg.livejournal.com]

ok, do we see him turn it off? Like i mean even is normal sharingan?

[kayuuko.livejournal.com]

Yeah right after the "fight" with Jiraiya... When he and Kisame are leaving. Then he turns his sharingan off...

[kayuuko.livejournal.com]

We find out that he can use Mangekyou after the time jump ^^""
But the technique he is using is not Tsukiyomi...

[kayuuko.livejournal.com]

Something else that comes to mind. Around the time that Itachi and Kisame come to Konoha, either during the battle with Itachi or after it, Kakashi says that the more you use the Mangekyo Sharingan, the more it impares your normal vision and sends you blind.

That's not true...
He is only saying that Itachi uses a lot of chakra for his techniques... and that he gets tired more easily.

[kayuuko.livejournal.com]

What? The hidden room?

Episode 82:



It's this one. That's the hidden room with the scrolls Itachi is mentioning in the flashback before he leaves.
We don't see Sasuke telling Kakashi about the room. We just see Kakashi training Sasuke a lot before the finals of the Chuunin exam...

But personally I don't think Sasuke told Kakashi about the hidden place...

Re: good points...

[seki-yumizu.livejournal.com]

I think it does impairs Itachi's vision as well.
Since when Kakashi commented if Itachi's vision detoriated, he kept silent, and after that, a short while when Kakashi explains about the eyesight defect, he went "Kakashi...you.." er, well to the effect that it sounds like at that point he realised that Kakashi had developed mangenkyou or something similar.

I believe Obito's death has something to do with Kakashi's sharingan development... I dunno. personal opinion.

[seki-yumizu.livejournal.com]

I think that was said by Kisame? o_O; not Kakashi? when Kisame and Itachi broke through Jiraya's jutsu and retreated.

The impair vision part comes in in the fight after time jump when Itachi and Kisame were using their replacements to fight them (and we get to see more of the abilities of mangenkyou)

[thomasvye.livejournal.com]

I was sort of joking when I said Itachi lied, but in seriousness I think that that is more to do with extremes of emotion.

I think it probably does damage the users vision, perhaps into blindness; Gai tells Lee not to open the gates too often because the human body cannot stand that amount of chakra being consistantly released into it and it would cripple you. I suppose this might be the same for the eyes, being unable to cope with the strain of bearing this sort of power in the long term.

[shinjirou.livejournal.com]

That's an interesting idea, the one eye thing...maybe you need one eye to one technique, eh? -laugh-

[shinjirou.livejournal.com]

Maybe it's ZOMBIE!Obito. :B

[shinjirou.livejournal.com]

It won't help either if he speeds up the blinding process the biblical way. XD

-ducks-

[reservoir.livejournal.com]

XD No, zombie!Obito is the leader of Akatsuki! Obviously.

[shinjirou.livejournal.com]

Wow, good observation. That would be kindof cool, too...I've always found blind characters/people to be so interesting, plus it would hype up his other senses. He can always have his fishbitch tell him how many stairs are left anyways.

Yet for an Uchiha [or a Hyuuga] to go blind would be pretty devastating, I wonder if there would be something...eeeehhh...like being able to only see through the mangekyo, like in black and white...or just seeing very faintly. My best friend as a child was legally blind in one eye but still had some vision left to it. It's just the difference in between being able to drive or not, probably x__x;

[reservoir.livejournal.com]

Itachi's is called Amaterasu

[reservoir.livejournal.com]

Why would he need to do that?! He has millions of fangirls at his beck and call! Fanboys, too.


Unless he's angsting over Kisame ^_^

[splintered-soul.livejournal.com]

The databook states that the sharingan is activated through emotional experiences. Tha mangekyou is probably no different. It's not the act but the emotional strain that it causes.

Itachi going blind was never explicitly stated, it was hinted when Kakshi asked Itachi "How bad has your eyesight gotten." Itachi then responds "Impossible." Some believed it was about Kakashi getting the mangekyou, others think he is going blind.

Kakashi states after the bell test that he had a new jutsu. Naruto and Sakura ignore him, but during the chase he activates what he calls the "Mangekyou." Naruto asks him if this is what he was talking about and Kakashi says yes.

Which means something has had to happened during the timeskip. The sharingan would have been activated earlier if that had happened.

[shinjirou.livejournal.com]

Your icon XD

Obviously, and Gaara's old man is Tobi in disguise. [/crack prediction]

[shinjirou.livejournal.com]

He bought himself a fishy-bowl that he keeps in his tent at night to remind him of Kissy while he does it, in that case.

[apple-addiction.livejournal.com]

You mean like this?

About Rin.

[aoshishinomori.livejournal.com]

In an interview with Kishimoto they asked him what turns the manga would take and etc. Well, he replied a strong kunoichi part of Akatsuki was going to be revealed...
So....it could happen.

[fork-my-eye.livejournal.com]

OMG LOL

*ded*

[fork-my-eye.livejournal.com]

this community deserves an award for crack predictions.
and this is why i love chuunin so much. *hugs*

[rasenth.livejournal.com]

In the anime, I forgot if it shows in the manga.

[anarexic-cyborg.livejournal.com]

Ah, i see. I just couldnt remember seeing sasuke going to the room, but here he is.

Well there ya go.

[digital-z3ro.livejournal.com]

it's possible. the first scenario that kakashi mentioned to team seven was something to the effect of, he had sasuke pinned and told sakura to kill naruto, or sasuke would die.