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[jasper-child.livejournal.com]

I was just re-reading the scene when Sasuke confronts the Nine-tailed Fox and I realized a vey important question has not been answered yet.
Why did the fox warn Sasuke not to kill Naruto? Sure it would be easy to chalk it up to the Fox thinking about his host and all but why would it be necessary to warn Sasuke about this?

With everything that's happened in the manga, do you think it will be a possibility that Sasuke will kill Naruto, or that Naruto will come to a near death-like state? Perhaps Sasuke will capture Naruto for the Akatsuki and during the extraction process something horrible will happen.
Or maybe the Fox knows that Madera is alive and he doesn't want to be under his control?

What are your thoughts on this?

 

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[senior-witch.livejournal.com]

There are a lot of open questions, and this is certainly one of them, and actually my ideas about why the fox warns Sasuke not to kill Naruto are rather vague. I think that the warning is not only motivated by the fox's selfish desire to stay alive and be free (as well as he can be behind the Yondaime's seal). I think that he is honest when he says that Sasuke would regret it... I have no idea what this might mean on a 'technical' level, maybe that Sasuke would turn blind, on a psychological level it would mean that Sasuke would lose his humanity - he is already walking on a tight rope in this respect.

I don't think that Sasuke will kill Naruto - as Naruto is the hero of the story it is impossible that he will be killed by anyone. I don't think that Sasuke will capture Naruto for Akatsuki - Madara knew why he did not send Sasuke to capture him, but instead sent him to get the Hachibi. Sasuke even failed with the Hachibi - I don't think that Madara will entrust him with the task of capturing Naruto.

So my prediction for the manga: In a crucial moment Sasuke will (again) refrain from killing Naruto.

[centimetre.livejournal.com]

I just assumed it was out of self preservation - the fox doesn't want naruto to die in order to save his own life.

But that would imply that killing Naruto kills (or at least severely damages) Kyuubi as well, which brings up a HUGE plothole:

Scenario 1 (which I think is unlikely given the other plot elements): IF the village of Konoha wanted the fox to die, why didn't they just sacrifice Naruto in the first place? His body is already used as a sacrifical vessel, anyway.

Scenario 2 (which I think is more likely): The Kyuubi must be kept alive inside Naruto - keeping a reign on the Kyuubi's power is crucial to maintaining the balance of power between Fire country and its surrounding neighbors. In which case, why on earth was Naruto not protected more during his youth, especially when the village ninjas all knew he was the vessel for the demon fox?

[libraire.livejournal.com]

....Such good points. I'd assumed it was self-preservation as well, but it doesn't quite make sense, as you said.

Maybe he just wanted to warn Sasuke but then I'm really unsure as to why he even cares. Or maybe he's aware that if Sasuke attempts it Naruto will go a certain amount of tails and probably get him fried in a blink. But then again why does he care.

HE'S A SASUNARU SHIPPER, MEBBE.

[centimetre.livejournal.com]

YOU WILL REGRET IT IF YOU DO NOT MAKE SWEET SWEET LOVE TO HIS SWEET SWEET ASS

[libraire.livejournal.com]

FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE SASUKE YOU WILL WONDER HOW IT WOULD HAVE FELT :|

[ylmik-wisty.livejournal.com]

I think the Fox's experience with the Uchiha clan taught it something about different Sharingan manifestations. Since Kyuubi said SASUKE would regret it, I thought it meant that if Sasuke killed Naruto... he would gain a very powerful and very horrible Sharingan. A double edged sword type. Just like the Sharingan he currently has is already affecting his sight. Because after all this time in Naruto's body, Kyuubi can probably tell Naruto's bond with Sasuke is very special in its own way. If Sasuke killed Naruto, who knows what would happen to his eyes.

That's what I like to think anyway.

[jasper-child.livejournal.com]

Huh.
Yeah, maybe the nine-tailed fox isn't just a manifestation of evil chakra. Maybe it's the chakra and soul of a once powerful member of the Uchiha clan. Maybe it's Madera's brother?
The nine-tails does have the sharingan in that one chapter picture here
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/398/01-02/
Although, it could just be symbol of the Nine-tails under the Uchiha's control...

Hmmm...wait, you mean the severing of their bond could probably kill Sasuke?

[jasper-child.livejournal.com]

Sasuke really is walking in a tight rope. He's pratically teetering between the two.

But what could that crucial moment be? There is so much happening now I'm not even sure, but your ideas (although vague) are still something to dwell upon.

[jasper-child.livejournal.com]

sasunaru FTW

[ylmik-wisty.livejournal.com]

Haha, I don't think the Kyuubi is a reincarnation of an Uchiha member. Well, at least not Madara's brother. In that picture, I believe Kyuubi is under the Uchiha's influence just like how Sasuke used genjutsu on Manda (the same thing happened as in the Kyuubi picture; there was a shadow of Sharingan in the snake/Manda's eyes).

In a way, yes. I think the downfall of killing someone as important to him as Naruto would cause a backlash on Sasuke, enough to ruin his life. So far the only price of these crimes of murdering people close to you is blindness. Maybe Kyuubi was referring to that. I would not be surprised if something worse would happen to Sasuke though. But that's my SasuNaru bias showing. XD It's under the logic of "if you kill someone really really really important to you, you get a very powerful Sharingan". For instance, when an Uchiha kills a best friend, they typically get the Mangekyou. After Itachi's death, Sasuke got the weird kaleidoscope sharingan thing (has it been given a name yet?) If Naruto were to die and it was Sasuke's fault, I wonder how that would morph his Sharingan. I think it would be something different than what Itachi's death brought him, since his bond with Itachi and his bond with Naruto are very different. And maybe instead of just blindness, as the Itachi-induced Sharingan is causing, a new Sharingan induced by Naruto's death could have worse effects, i.e. eventual death or other debilitations.

[ylmik-wisty.livejournal.com]

Oh, in case it wasn't clear, I meant that the Kyuubi understands more about Sharingan because I'm assuming the Uchiha have had a history of attempting to control the Kyuubi, since it is apparantly one of their bloodline's abilities. During these frequent skirmishes, and maybe even time periods where Kyuubi WAS subdued, he/it would be able to witness the downfalls of Uchiha members and the different types of Sharingan they were able to develop. If the Uchiha tried to capture Kyuubi, that would mean they would have to develop their Sharingan to very powerful extents. And again, powerful Sharingan seems to come from murdering loved ones, so... Kyuubi would be able to witness that kind of power-hungry bloodshed.

[loussi-leb-ru.livejournal.com]

Well one thing for sure i don't think the fox cares one way or another about Sasuke's humanity maybe he mean a curse or sthg also possible.

[senior-witch.livejournal.com]

That's all really interesting, but... we don't yet know for certain how Kakashi got his Mangekyou Sharingan (certainly not by killing anyone close to him) and how this is affecting him - it exhausts him, but so far he is not showing any signs of blindness.

Also, Sasuke did not kill Itachi, if you don't count fighting him and making him exhaust his chakra and overuse his Mangekyou Sharingan. In the end, Itachi died by himself. In chapter 401, Madara says that Itachi wanted to give the MS to Sasuke via his death (page 3 (http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-401/page003.html), page 13 (http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-401/page013.html)). So we don't yet know the exact conditions of the Mangekyou Sharingan, whether witnessing the death of a close person is enough to obtain it, and how the different ways of obtaining it affect its disastrous effects.

Nonetheless, I agree with you that killing Naruto would have turned Sasuke into something that is no longer human.

[platedlizard.livejournal.com]

Minato made it pretty clear in the last issue that he knew the Kyuubi had been sent by a powerful enemy, and he wanted to use the fox against said enemy. (presumably Madara) Also, killing Naruto would have meant killing a baby... which given that Konoha's ninjas as a whole are surprisingly ethical would have been pretty tough. Also IMO, given that Naruto is the Fourth's son, he probably had a bunch of people that were personally loyal to Minato who wouldn't allow his son to be killed.

And Naruto was supposed to have a normal childhood, which is why no one was supposed to talk about him having the fox. My guess is that he was placed in foster a home/orphanage, and the adults in charge of him didn't really notice that he was being ignored. He doesn't seem to have been abused (at least by the adults, he might have been bullied) or severely neglected (truly neglected children tend to have SEVERE behavioral problems, not just playing pranks). They probably took his laughing exterior at face value and assumed that he was okay.

Also, by keeping quiet where the fox was they suppressed the information outside of the village. My guess here is in a village of shinobi even the civilians know when to keep their mouths shut to outsiders.

Oh, and I believe very firmly and on very little evidence that the fox has a hardon for Sasuke.

[centimetre.livejournal.com]

YES

[platedlizard.livejournal.com]

YOU KNOW IT!

or maybe the fox has a thing for Uchihas in general.

[jaded-priceless.livejournal.com]

I was wondering the same thing. I'm thinking since Madara sent the Kyuubi to destroy Konoha and helped Itachi to massacre the clan he has no feelings for Sasuke and he only wants to use him since either one of those actions could have ended Sasuke's life. Itachi's main goal was to protect Sasuke. He gave Sasuke's his doujutsu's and rigged them to be triggered by Madara's Sharingan. I really think it was to physically protect him just as much as to than prevent him from learning the truth. My guess is that the fox warned Sasuke don't kill Naruto since Naruto is the only one with the power to protect Sasuke from Madara.

I think the main problem with the question is what is the true nature of the Kyuubi and what are its real intentions? Fox spirits are seen as guardians as well as tricksters. We know that Minato only sealed the fox's good chakra in Naruto and that Madara treated it like a pet. It may be that foxes were the Uchiha's contract summons so it feels protective of Sasuke.

The manga implies only a strong Uchiha could summon it. So far Madara is the only one strong enough to summon and control the 9 Nine tails, but the entire bloodline has some type of power over it. We don't know if Itachi had a relationship with the fox, but its possible since he knew Madara was alive and Madara was the one who taught him. It would also explain how Naruto will be able to use the power Itachi gave him since Itachi mostly likely would have been able to control the fox.

Sorry I got so long winded, but that's one of those things that's been bothering me. It also bothered me how Sasuke reacts to Madara's name when the Kyuubi mentions it. The reaction is slight, but it's there. http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v34/c309/3.html It's almost like he expected to hear it.

[centimetre.livejournal.com]

them's some tasty morsels

[lonely-lycanth.livejournal.com]

I realize I'm late to the party, but...

When I read that scene, I saw it more as an "I hate you," than anything else. The fox resents being captured, and he resents being controlled. He probably resented Madara for that, and probably carries that hatred over to all Uchiha (I think he commented something to that effect? It has been a long time. At any rate, he mentioned the clan.)

Anyway, the point is, if Sasuke killed Naruto, and Naruto's death freed the fox, the fox could kill Sasuke. In other words, "if you know what's good for you..."

[jasper-child.livejournal.com]

No worries, it ain't late ^_^
But whoa.
I did not think about that. There's no doubt that the Fox would want to kill Sasuke and Madara...this makes the Fox more demon-like.
I know he's a demon but it's been a while since I've seen/read of him actually being a *demon*