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[the-blue-ninja.livejournal.com]

Myself and my brother were discussing the whole Team 7/Sannin paralells, when he pointed out the simaralities between Kakashi and the Third.
Both were taught by Hokages, the Third by the First and Second and Kakashi by the Fourth, both were perverts (although that could be said of most of the men in Naruto) both were geniuses, and the Third taught the Sannin, while Kakashi is teaching the 'Neo-Sannin'.

Also, the Third favoured Orochimaru, while Kakashi did the same with Sasuke.

So what do you think? Could Kakashi become the sixth Hokage?

Comments

[0x.livejournal.com]

I never considered that. I was totally with you..right up until Hokage. I don't think he has any need to do it, has the skill to do it, and it just makes no sense plot-wise. I think it would be more likely that Kakashi's future includes sacrificial death.

[vash3857.livejournal.com]

thats cool. Also Naruto is kind of like Jiraiya, being a trouble maker at first but becoming a great ninja. And Sakura was pretty useless in the beginning and then later she became this great medic ninja. Moreover, Sasuke kind of followed suit of Orochimaru too.

[sephibroth.livejournal.com]

i think kakashi is a good enough ninja but he seems like he'd be too lazy :P

[fork-my-eye.livejournal.com]

hmm that's interesting. i never thought about that imparticular... but there are other similarities too. like...

naruto=jiraiya
sakura=tsunade
sasuke= orochimaru

that doesn't mean that sakura's going become a hokage because she follow's the 5th. plus... kakashi's really lazy, not on top of things, andi doubt he'd even take the job. he'd probably turn it down just like jiraiya did.

[penultimategeek.livejournal.com]

Amen to that.

HI KAITLIN.

Jennifer

[ninjafrey.livejournal.com]

Wow. I never thought about that. I guess he could, you know. But people might be pissed off about Kakashi's father or something (well, at least the old people, I guess) and might not. But Kakashi is down with all the ninja morals and rules and such, so if the position was shoved at him, I think he would do it. It's a matter of protecting Konoha, you know?

I don't think he will become (can I call it Rokudaime, too?) the sixth. We've got Naruto to fill that position. :D

(And that's my rant. LOL.)

Have I told you lately...

[cest-jolie.livejournal.com]

His name isn't Scarecrow In the Office or Scarecrow Behind the Desk. It's Scarecrow In the Field. That's where he shines.

That I love you? LOL! This is the best explanation I've read.

I agree, the job doesn't suit his abilities.

[swallowedhalo.livejournal.com]

Well if you consider it, I don't think that the strongest is always made the hokage. I don't know if you can measure this, but if you put Yondaime up against any of the Sannins, it might be questionable as to whether or not he could defeat them, especially Orochimaru (who probably was stronger than Yondaime at the time). Hokage is both about strength and personality, and, although I think that Kakashi is strong, I'm not sure if he really comes up as strong in the personality department. Sure he's no Orochimaru-evil or anything, but he's still relatively lazy and a lot like Jiraiya.

Tsudane is probably considered an exception because they needed someone of her caliber to go against Orochimaru, and, between Jiraiya and her, it seemed that Tsudane would probably be the better hokage. Still, normally, I think that the title of hokage is largely based on both skill and character rather than just skill.

Plus, I think Kakashi probably turn down the offer anyway. Being hokage would cut into his Icha Icha Paradise time.

And Naruto's supposed to be the next hokage :P

[ninjafrey.livejournal.com]

That's right, they asked him and he refused. Then he (and Naruto) went looking for Tsunade.

[thomasvye.livejournal.com]

It's a shame Iruka is not that little bit more talented with jutsu, because personality wise, he nails it. ^^ He'd be a great kage.

[tricklingaway.livejournal.com]

i noticed the parallels too. i thought about it, but i don't think kakashi will become the sixth.. or whatever hokage. however, the third and kakashi are similar in that they both tried to cultivate orochimaru and sasuke to help others and love their village instead of killing or seeking revenge - but having their students turn back on them instead.

if the third died trying to "help" orochimaru first and then "kill" him, i'm all for speculating what kakashi will do. i don't really want kakashi to die (he's my favourite character after all!), but if you look at kakashi's life, he's been affected by the Uchiha's ever since young (obito, then teaching sasuke and suffering sasuke's defection, suffering itachi's mangekyou trying to protect sasuke/naruto, then developing a unrefined version of his OWN mangekyou.. etc). hence i believe that kakashi's life will be affected by an Uchiha person, trait, or thing.

kakashi's downfall / triumph / whatever, i believe may hence have much to do with sasuke.

however, none of them have given up on sasuke (especially in 286.. when naruto and sakura defend sasuke in front of sai) and i don't think kakashi has either. this is different from the sannin who gave up on orochimaru (i think they gave up, anyway? they have all the intention to kill him), so this difference also leaves room for speculation.

just my opinion anyway ^^

[thomasvye.livejournal.com]

I don't know about Kakashi - he'll surely talented enough when he's older to be Hokage material, but I don't know if it would suit his personality. In a way, Kakashi was also taught by the Third, as his own Sensei was the Third's (other) protege.

I actually believe that the Third failed Orochimaru. He obviously cared alot about him and rated this brilliant student highly, but it seems to me that the best analogy is the spoilt child and the parent who can never say no. Orochimaru's moral development went off completely at some point and it doesn't appear like anyone tried to apply the breaks (though Oro was probably pretty good at disguising what he was up to). If you look at it like that, you can imagine Orochimaru's emotion when he is passed over for Hokage by this person, especially since he undoubtedly is an awesome enough ninja to easily be the Kage.

But even in that moment when the Third decides to put his foot down finally over the kinjutsu, Orochimaru is allowed to flee Konoha without a fight. That look that passes between them - the third still can't bring himself to finally harm his favourite, even at that point when they're standing in a room full of dissected burked subjects.

I am not saying Orochisama would have ever been a different person (God forbid! :D) in of himself had Sandaime treated him differently. But his life might have taken a different course. Maybe the Third gave Sasuke to Kakashi's care because he thought Kakashi could make a difference in Sasuke where he'd failed his own student. But I don't think Kakashi had enough time.

In my opinion, if Sasuke has developed to be the generation's Orochimaru, then they should just leave him alone, because he won't want to come back and he'll be needing to do his own thing. He's said his goodbyes to Naruto just like Orochi said bye to Jiraiya. And Oro has never looked back.

I think if Team 7 think they can bring Sasuke back and he'll happily join them like nothing ever happened, they're wasting their time. It depends on whether his personality has been irrevocably changed by what happened to him (and I don't really think killing Itachi - if he managed that - would actually make much difference).

[swallowedhalo.livejournal.com]

Although it's true that it won't be sunday icecream and peaches when Sasuke does get dragged back or runs home or whatever, I really can't see Naruto and gang ultimately failing. I mean I might be stereotyping but Naruto's always sort of gotten the piece of pie he's aimed for, give or take some time, but he always gets what he sets his eyes on (usually beating people into a pulp).

Sasuke is still inherently different from Orochimaru because he has a stopper to his power lust. Orochimaru wants everything while Sasuke just wants to kill his brother. In this sense Sasuke's betrayal is different from Orochimaru's, because situations are not entirely in his control. Needless to say, without Itachi, he would probably not have left Konoha, whereas Orochimaru probably would have anyway.

After he kills Itachi, he'll probably just settle down from the slaughter and treason business and have a couple of kids...

Much different from Orochimaru's world domination plan.

[thomasvye.livejournal.com]

Actually what Orochimaru wants is to be immortal so that he will have all the time in the world to learn/practice all the jutsu and develop new ones; it's one of the things I love most about him; he's just a jutsu geek! XD That's why he wants sharingan. Not because it's powerful (though that's a plus; he's settled on that bloodline ability because it's like having a built in photocopier for his beloved jutsu! lol!

But I agree with you that Orochi and Sasuke's stories are different of course. ^^ However, I am not sure that killing Itachi will make any difference. The bottom line is that nothing he can do can change what happened in the past.

[arandomstudent.livejournal.com]

I've seen a lot of people draw Sannin-'Ne Sannin' parallels before, but never Sandaime-Kakashi. This is brilliant!

I don't think Kakashi will become Hokage, though -- he is a cool guy and a skilled, powerful ninja, but I don't think he's big enough to be a Hokage.

First, he is an assasin, and is famous for it; there are a lot of people out there holding personal grudges against him, and it wouldn't do to have super-abrasive political relations.

Second, he is very strong, but not strong enough; there are a lot of ninjas out there who can match him evenly (such as Zabuza), he cannot stand a minute agaisnt Orochimaru, and I can't imagine him pulling off a large-scale technique (like Gaara's shield to protect his village).

Third, his personality. I view him as rather lacking in leadership. He has trouble managing his team and his guilt over them; when he found out about genins' mission to retrive Sasuke, he went to rescue Naruto, even though Tsunade already assigned him an S-rank mission. He has lived his life by the principle that he must take care of his friends, but what will he do when the entire village is under siege?


The strange thing is, though, it seems that Hokages sort of "skipped" Kakashi's generation:
1st generation had the First and Second Hokage.
2nd generation produced the Third Hokage.
3rd generation (later) produced Fifth Hokage, Tsunade.
4th Generation produced the Fourth Hokage.
5th generation (Kakashi, Anko, Shizune, and various other jounin) did not produce any Hokage (so far).
6th generation (Naruto & rookies) will produce the next Hokage, presumably.

I might mention, too, that Kakashi will be rather missing out in the Hokage line in that his teacher and his student will be Hokage, but he himself is not Hokage. In that sense, there's also a Jiraiya-Kakashi parallel.

[ilabb.livejournal.com]

An interesting tidbit of information: Ebisu said you need to master over 1000 jutsus to become the Hokage to Konohamaru in one of the earlier episodes, then someone else said Kakashi knew over 1000 due to his Sharingan.

Another interesting tidbit of information: Kishimoto wanted Kakashi to be the 5th Hokage, but then... he didn't XD The whole "1000 jutsu" explination is proof of Kishimoto's intent to make Kakashi a Hokage earlier in the series, so I think there is a good chance he'll be the Hokage eventually.