NaruHina/SasuHina or Canon/Crack

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Debate

Am currently having a small debate with a NaruHina 'shipper. I don't know how I always manage to get into some sort of fight/conflict these days...

And it's not just over here at LiveJournal. I'll see someone write in their stories over at FF.net why SasuHina is "Eww!" because it's practically incest and that they haven't spoken to each other ever in the whole series. To me, these reasons are inane and have no true depth behind them. Then again, that might just be me. I have friends who like NaruHina and can provide better justifications for their dislike of SasuHina.

I just want to know this: Why can't we all get along? What's the big deal with pairing preferences? I tolerate canon pairings (although I dislike most of them), but it doesn't seem like some canon lovers tolerate the things I like.

I realize that this subject has been raised many times, but I'd love to see some more discussion about it. If you are a NaruHina 'shipper, what appeals to you about the pairing? What turns you off about SasuHina? And if you are a SasuHina 'shipper, what do you like about it? Why don't you like NaruHina? And we can even include NaruSaku and SasuSaku in this, too, since that was included within the debate as well.

Why do you like canon pairings? Why do you like crack pairings?

Feel free to discuss with each other if you wish. I just want to say that pairing wars are pointless and a waste of time.

Cross-posted to a few communities.

Comments

[kunoichi-jaden.livejournal.com]

Not that I care... I just want to know why SasuHina is incest? o.O The Uchiha and Hyuuga clans separated like AGES ago. (Considering how long it would take the Byakugan to mutate into the Sharingan.)

Sasuke and Hinata have quite the different genetic make up by now, so its not like they'd have down syndrome babies. o.O

why do people fake like they know genetics?

[bubble.livejournal.com]

You're telling me. I fail to see the logic behind that argument.

You can click here (http://community.livejournal.com/inter_clan/3676.html) for a debate on Uchiha/Hyuuga relationships. As far as I'm concerned, NejiSasu, ItaNeji, SasuHina, and ItaHina are not incest.

Someone even made a wonderful argument that even if Neji and Hinata were to get together, they wouldn't create a defected child. I'll go see if I can root it up now.

[hi-no-neko.livejournal.com]

Hey, I'm a ShikaChou fan. You try weighing in on a ShikaIno/ShikaTema fight with THAT. :P

But, personally, I'm cool with, like, 80% of all pairings, no matter how cracky they get. Canon-y pairings are nice, but as they are canon, there's no real thrill to it, ya know? Just flip open a page and WHOOP, there's another sappy moment.

Crack pairings are more fun, I feel, because it helps you learn how to enjoy things that don't come up often.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to scour the 'net for NaruIno stuffs. Here, ficcy ficcy ficcy . . .

i can't resist...

[queendopple.livejournal.com]

sims, the solution to everything.

[andrew-jp.livejournal.com]

Generally speaking, pairing up characters that have never had any canonical interaction is a losing prospect. That said, I'll give anything with a girl in it a shot; in a female heavy, yaoi-choked fandom like Naruto, I can't afford to be too picky.

[farfallanera.livejournal.com]

But what if it's a AU? It'd have to be a well-written one, of course, but when you think about it nearly all pairings could be possible.

[0x.livejournal.com]

live and let live!

[bubble.livejournal.com]

Exactly. We all like the Naruto fandom, so why should any group of us have to suffer?

[sagegoat.livejournal.com]

Personally, I love crack pairings because you can have a lot of interesting thoughts to how the characters would fit together, what aspects of their personalities create a good match, whether or not they've actually spent much canon time talking with eachother.

[farfallanera.livejournal.com]

Ooh, seconded. That's how Sakon/Hinata became one of my OTPs.

[smile-with-care.livejournal.com]

Hmm. Well, for me, I'm a total NaruHina shipper, and canon for the most part. But in the HP fandom, I'm all for Draco/Hermione and those love/hate-never-going-to-happen type pairings. :/ Maybe I'm just weird, haha.

Eh, I known the reason I like NaruHina. Kind of a really silly, dumb reason. I was just browsing through fanfics as a newbie to the Naruto fandom on FFnet, and since we all know how HARD it is to find anything decent there.... So yeah, the first decent one I read was a NaruHina. And it was really cute and all, and the pairing just kind of stuck.

On SasuHina, I.... really don't know. I don't have any dislike towards it, but I've always avoided it and stuff. And I can't really seen to find a plausible excuse why I avoid it. I don't think SasuHina is incest at all.... it's just I have no interest in it.

For SasuSaku, I tolerate it because it's tagged on most NaruHina, but I'm not obsessed with it or anything. And I don't like NaruSaku at all, but I adore NaruSasuSaku. Go figure, I'm just an all-around oddball. xD

On crack and canon pairings.... I dunno. I guess I like plausible crack pairings involving the non-main type characters. I don't really go for that humor!crack with crossovers and stuff. As for canon pairings, I'm just a little weird. I mean, I like the mainstream Naruto pairings like NaruHina, InoShika, and NejiTen, but then I also enjoy Uchihacest and Hyuugacest and threesomes.

I think a lot of influence on what I really like happens to be what I end up reading fanfic-wise first when I join a fandom. Which is horrible, I know. But I can't help it, and I guess that's just how I am.

[bubble.livejournal.com]

*laughs* I seem to be an opposite of you in one aspect. When I first got into the fandom, I knew that I wouldn't like NaruHina. To this day, I am hesitant to read a NaruHina fic. I say this simply because I have come across some awful excuses of fanfiction that really thrash the pairing, but I have come across some well-written ones, like Inori by syaoran no hime.

But I agree with you, regarding Draco/Hermione. Back when I was a DBZ geek, I enjoyed canon and didn't even consider the possibilities of crack pairings. I did enjoy one, but back then, I didn't believe that it was too cracky. Now that I'm in Naruto...I seem to be all for crack.

I respect your opinion. The same could be said for my interest in ItaHina. It's not something I would go out of my way to read, but I did read an excellent piece over at AFF.net entitled Rock, Paper, Scissors. It was such a wonderful piece.

*sighs* Thank you. Because honestly, I don't believe that SasuHina is incest. No way.

I don't mind SasuSaku myself. I just wouldn't go out of my way to read one, although I have done so before. Hmm, don't like NaruSaku? XD I do. And I'm definitely willing to try NaruSasuSaku. I believe askerian writes some wonderful NaruSasuSaku fics.

Hmm, I see. Ever tried KankuIno or ShikaHina? I tried reading the former just today, and found that I'd liked it (although I prefer NejiIno and NaruIno). I've written a ShikaHina as a request for someone, and although I couldn't see it happening before writing it, I can believe in it somewhat now. Again, it all depends on how well a writer writes the pairing.

I am a huge Uchihacest, Hyuugacest, and threesome fan. XD

Let's be all-around oddballs together. ♥

[kiraya.livejournal.com]

Don't like it? Ignore it. That's my view on most het and "canon" pairings the whole thing.

[rasenth.livejournal.com]

Le gasp! A Nejihina shipper? :D
I totally am one too! XD YAY!!!

Speaking of which, it kind of erks me how the main argument against it is the incest. >_>; I mean... you don't need to make babies to love each other right? >_>...

[sexytwist.livejournal.com]

I just want to say that pairing wars are pointless and a waste of time.

Yep. Pretty much.

[queendopple.livejournal.com]

i LOVE your icon

[technoranma.livejournal.com]

well canon is easy to understand. people dont like things that aren't easy to understand. that's why tolerance is so low.

[dv8nation.livejournal.com]

I think it's more complicated than that. Usually poor interaction between the characters kills alternate pairing for me. And I like alternate pairings.

Damn, I'm suddenly having flashbacks to Spike/Buffy pairing fights. *shudder*

[deidarachan.livejournal.com]

I greatly prefer SasuSaku, it being my OTP, and don't have any particular interest in any other pairing with Sasuke, but...

I don't think it's fair to tag your ship as the "correct" ship, or go around making snide remarks about what everyone else likes, you know? We're all just a bunch of silly Naruto fans who like to write about the characters we think would make a cute couple, and no person is supporting something better than anyone else. It's all just a matter of taste and opinion.

Peace and love, peeps! This fandom is myyy fandom! This fandom is yourrr fandom! I cannot thiink of! Anything else that rhyyymes! ♪

[dv8nation.livejournal.com]

If something actually becomes cannon then it's...well, correct might not be the best word. Perhaps offical. But until then, as long as the story is believeable, things are in the air.

[nayami.livejournal.com]

Real quick I wanted to say that I'm fiercely defensive of my pairings and quite critical (thankfully in private mostly) of pairings I find beyond my comprehension. The most notorious of the latter involve pairing up characters who show absolutely no interest (even in passing) in each other or have never spoken. I don't mind if people like them but when people tell me they fell for this pairing due to a misinterpreted commercial, because they're oh so pretty or because in this one panel in this chapter in this one volume they *looked* at each other, I find it hard to sympathize.

That said, I do have crack pairings, those I acknowledge as pure crack and would never take seriously but find amusing for the WTF factor or the "that would so piss off ___" factor.

Canon, it depends if it's not horribly cliched and usually if I don't want to rip out the spleen from one part of the pairing or both and scream "Get friggin' over it!"

Shiplist: SasuNaru, SasuNaruSaku, SasuNaruGaara, GaaraLee, ShikaTemari, GaaraSaku, Uchihacest, Hyugacest and dabble in SakuIno.

[nan-desu-ka.livejournal.com]

You've got to explain GaaraLee to me. And for that matter, GaaraSaku. He tried to kill the poor girl. (Of course, he tries to kill Naruto too but we all know Naruto has an affinity for still loving people who try to kill him -coughSasukecough-).

[farfallanera.livejournal.com]

Sure, there are pairings that I dislike, but I don't openly flame them, and I don't get in pairing wars about them, and I can understand why people like them. See, personally I'm not a NaruHina fan, but I understand the appeal, and that's perfectly fine with me if you ship it.

Like deidarachan said, it's all just a matter of taste and opinion, and personal preference. ^_^

[bubble.livejournal.com]

Definitely agreed. I have tried NaruHina before, and have found that I do not like it. I understand if people don't like ItaNeji, TenSasu, TemaSasu, NejiTema, NejiHina, ItaSasu, SasuHina, NejiIno, NaruIno, AnkoSasu, or any of the other pairings I ship (and believe me, they make quite an impressive list), but I'd appreciate it if they don't get into my face about the pairings never being able to happen in the anime/manga.

After all, that's why it's fanfiction, right? We're free to do what we like. If you don't like it, don't read it. Simple as that. Flaming is not necessary.

And I'd love for everyone to respect each other. Apparently, I'm asking for too much. -_-;;

[crazyponko.livejournal.com]

I kind of like both plausible and crack pairings. I like Sasuke/Sakura, Naruto/Gaara, Temari/Shikamaru or Neji/Lee, but I also like weirder pairings like Kankuro/Tenten, Lee/Hinata or Anko/Iruka.

* likes to pair the Fourth and Gaara's father together based on japanese fanart* @____@

[crystaltear.livejournal.com]

Only thing I want to throw in here:

Don't let anyone tell you their pairing is "canon" in Naruto. The word is "conventional." Some shippers love to throw that word out, and it's grating and just gives an implication that isn't there.

[hitokiridirk.livejournal.com]

Indeed. There has never ever been any confirmation that there are any pairings of any kind in Naruto. Any pairings that people talk about are pure fan-creation. I didn't think of it like this before, but it makes sense.

[mizuno-caitlin.livejournal.com]

The only thing I don't like is incest between genetic siblings. Sasuke and Itachi? Hell no. Neji and Hinata? Even more of a hell no. It isn't just a taboo, for Neji and Hinata it makes no sense. I've seen a thousand "arranged marriage for the betterment of the clan" bs stories. Uh-uh. Sure the probability of genetic abnormalities in humans decreases dramatically when you move from siblings to cousins, however Neji and Hinata aren't genetic cousins. They're genetic half-siblings. Their fathers were identical twins. Therefore, any kids they'd have would be horribly disabled and the idea of an all powerful Hyuuga heir coming from the union is ridonkulus. I can understand one or the other developing a crush or even a forbidden romance, but the insanely popular convention that they'd be married by the clan for the betterment of the clan makes me roll my eyes and want to abolish those people whom write about that sort of thing from ever having children themselves.

[blooming-cosmo.livejournal.com]

Wow...even I don't support NejiHina, but a lot of the stuff you said I don't agree with. Some cultures are okay with these sorts of arrangements. It's not exactly taboo everywhere. I don't like the pairing for three reasons, and neither of them consist of mutant babies.

The possibilities of genetic mutation are much lower than you would think. And you should consider rethinking what you said because I'm sure other people will take offense to it.

It's okay not to like incest, I don't agree with it either and that's because I can't support something that I don't practice and don't wish to practice, but at the same time not everyone thinks the same way. O.o

[krysyuy.livejournal.com]

I just want to say that pairing wars are pointless and a waste of time.

Hear, hear. I've never understood pairing wars either. I was totally bewildered by the pairing wars between H/Hr and R/Hr supporters in the Harry Potter fandom for example. (I ship H/Hr, for anyone who wants to know.) I mean, I like my pairings, other people like theirs. Whatever.

Seriously, I'm one of the people who just likes to ship. I ship anything. Conventional, unconventional, crack, het, yaoi, yuri, canon, plausible, insane and whatever else you want to call it. I'm all over the map.

I like both NaruHina and SasuHina. I like the dynamic between NaruHina - how Hinata has always looked up to Naruto, and how Naruto doesn't realize there has been someone cheering for him silently all along. As for SasuHina, I don't know, but it just attracts me. I've always been drawn to the whole scenario where the girl brings the somewhat brooding/depressed/evil/dark guy into the light. XD;;

Another usual thing I do though is have my favorite character shipped with everyone else. Example: I really like Naruto and Hinata as characters. So I ship NaruHina, NaruSaku, NaruTema, NaruTen, NaruGaa, etc. I also ship SasuHina, ShikaHina, GaaHina, etc. Sometimes I even crossover into other fandoms. I love Tsukino Usagi from Sailor Moon. I've shipped her with anyone I can think of. One of my fav. crossover pairings is Usagi/Hiiro. Yes, Hiiro from Gundam Wing. It's not particularly logical, but who cares? Fandoms don't have rules - or at least, they're not supposed to.

Like someone before said, it's all just personal preference. I have pairings I don't like, but I can see why others are attracted to it. In my case, SasuNaru for example. It's just so-and-so for me, but it has a huge fanbase. I can see the pairing's appeal though. No biggie.

Some people should just learn that it's opinion. There's no right and wrong, no logical or illogical. It's whatever you want it to be. *shrugs* At least, I think so anyway. This is just my own view on the matter.

Some of the Naruto pairings I ship are: NaruHina, NaruSaku, NaruGaa, GaaHina, SasuTen, SasuHina, Kank/Ten, ShikaHina, etc.

To each her/his own, ne? =0D

[dv8nation.livejournal.com]

Fandoms might not have rules but there is cannon and established characteriszation. Which usually get chucked out the window during the more out there pairings.

Not the I'm a against them. I'm a Harry/Luna fan for pity's sake. But if someone wants to go for a really off beat pairing they're going to have to work to sell it to me.

[blooming-cosmo.livejournal.com]

The pairing debates hurt my brain, but I might as well since I caught this.

NaruSaku and NejiTen are my main pairings that I support, I have others and then people that I just don't bother pairing. I tend to stay away from crack pairings, not because I'm closed minded never :O, but because after giving it some thought I just don't like it or don't get that same joy that I get when I look at my fandoms. I think the thing that I hate most about the pairing wars are the people who think that they are absolutely 100% right about 'their pairing'. No one is right, and people should just get over it already.

I'm not going to change my opinion about my dislikes or liking of a fandom because others don't agree with it, but all the same I won't go over to someone else and tell them all the problems with their fandom. I expect the same back, but I find that a lot of people will not go that route. I don't find arguing over who is right and who is wrong necessary, and all the arguing ever does is just strengthen others beliefs in their pairings. This sort of thing happens in all fandoms like the raging war I see between RobStar and RobRae for the Teen Titans fandom XD.

Honestly, nothing is final until the end, and even then that's not going to kill any fandoms. People should be able to like whatever pairing they want without having to get grief over it. I never knew that liking a pairing, for whatever reason it is, was illegal.

[farfallanera.livejournal.com]

...You know, the RobStar and RobRae wars were part of the reason why I left that fandom. Heh.

[roxannablack.livejournal.com]

I generally don't like the subject of shipping in Naruto, but I'll voice my opinion anyway.

One thing that appeals to be about NaruHina is that unlike some of the girls who fall for Sasuke because of his coolness and looks, she likes Naruto for who he is, his determination and whatnot. However, I also find myself liking NaruSaku as well because of the possible developing relationship between the two. I also have another Sakura relationship I like, but I think it may become a strictly friendship one. But still, at least, I can honestly say I support all of them until Kishi makes it known.

SasuHina, I do not support or believe it'll happen as far as "canon" is concerned. Maybe for "crack" since it's one of those ships just thrown out there like NejiSaku for instance. In fact, I do enjoy some crack ships because they are less of a hassle compared to the mainstream ones. They are out of the box, even though they are not going to happen. They are just for fun.

The only ship I do pair however is ShikaTema because there have been obvious hints that Kishi keeps throwing at us. The other relationship I mentioned that is with Sakura, it's my guilt pleasure. I like the idea of it happening and will like it whether it's romantic or is kept strictly friendship.

[nekovixen.livejournal.com]

Well, chick you know me. I'm the avid lover of the underloved pairings that could be canon.

NaruSaku being my favorite. >_>

I'm just not a fan of the incest ordeal and badly characterized pairings. Which, I have found most slash fanfics to consist of, sadly. [Bad username or site: @ livejournal.com] being one of the exceptions.

[distainful-baka.livejournal.com]

o_o;

Well. I technically prefer SasuNaru over all, but have shared my Sasuke character with the joys of heterosexuality in the current roleplay I am in. With whom? Oh, the darling Hinata-Chan of course.

I.. I'm not going to say that NaruHina is anything horrible, it's cute. But I really don't see it going any further than SasuHina. They're even, if anything. I was going to write a long assed rant, but I'll leave my opinion be.

Just don't 'Ew' at other people's fandoms. Dx It's mean.

[kidouche.livejournal.com]

I honestly think the fandom would fall in on itself without crack pairings. They spice things up a bit, ya? And they're so much more fun to read, particularly when the author does a good job with them, because they present possibilities that you may have never thought of before. Gotta love it. ♥ (Plus...uh...KANOINO IS MY OTP, WUT?) XD

As to pairing debates...yeah. DUMB. Unless you are DEBATING (not...you know...mudslinging, namecalling, asshatting...blah blah blah) with level-headed people who are willing to actually READ the opposition's argument and respond accordingly. This, unfortunately, is quite a rare occurance nowadays...>< Blargh.

[dv8nation.livejournal.com]

Debates are fun. Bitching at people who don't agree with you isn't the same as debate though.

[secludedly.livejournal.com]

Pairings are stupid anyway

[dv8nation.livejournal.com]

Saying that'll get you killed on LJ. ;)

[typecast.livejournal.com]

I am totally a fan of changing it up. Crack/canon, it's all good. There's no ultimate OTP I have, where I can't see the character with anyone else. That'd be too boring. :3

[larka-14.livejournal.com]

When someone says that your pairing is stupid or something, just shrug it off and say you don't want to waste your time debating. You can't change a person's opinion once they locked it in their brain. People are stubborn.

Anyways, I don't mind about any pairing in Naruto. Everyone has the write to have fanfiction for their OTP plus I kind of like Gaara/Hinata :O, don't ask. I think I read to much fanfiction XD..

[treat.livejournal.com]

I too have my preferences, but generally, I don't give a damn about what couple/threesome/orgy people support AS LONG AS THEY DON'T INSULT MINE. I've had the misfortune of running into some rather spiteful fangirls and now I tend to associate certain fandoms with idiot rape-happy fans. Ogh.

The main reason people tend to dislike obscure pairings such as SasuHina fics is that those sort of pairings unfortunately turn out to be 1) vicarious Mary Sue fics, 2) A sorry attempt to pair up half the male character in the series with that one particular girl (e.g. ItaNejiGaaSasuNaruSaiIruAsumaOrochimichangaxSaku yes wtf), or 3) A terrible misuse of the romantic element. And usually those fics are usually a mutated combination of the three. That's just the preconceived notion; I've read very well written fiction of obscure/non-canon pairings before, but they're very, very rare to come by.

But whatever. Who cares about whatever anyone else says? If you support a pairing, crack, canon, fanon, incest, shota, lolita or whatever, it's your fandom. FIGHT FOR IT. LIVE FOR IT. BREATHE FOR IT. *brainwashy* 8D And if the others don't like your fandom, it's their damn own problem. :D