don't mess with the flow, no no, stick to the status quo

[precincts.livejournal.com]

I just read this newest chapter, and honestly my thoughts have not exactly sorted themselves out yet. I'm still completely stuck on the Naruto/Sasuke interaction and it's turn out and whether their set wedding date will be okay, so right now I can't give you my personal thought/opinion/prediction on their pending relationship, whatever it may be. However! I do have something else.

Blocking the Kyuubi's power. I don't think it's a wise thing to do. I admire his "do it yourself" attitude, but I don't think this is the right time. At all. You're in your arch enemies headquarters and your ex?best friend is trying to kill you. Hm. I think you need just about all the help you can get. Not to say that Naruto can't do it without the Kyuubi, but he has spent the last two and a half years training with Jiraiya using the Kyuubi's power. He has spent time perfecting it, and he (to a certain extent) knows his limits and what he is capable of. Why, in a time where you need to be as certain as you can, would you throw it away and just start from scratch? It's been so long since he's been "on his own," how would he even know what to do? What he could do? I know he's the hero and they won't let anything happen to him, but still.

Another thing. I'm worried that they're treating the Kyuubi as "help." If you look on the fox as help, then everything else that's established (bloodlines, etc.) are "help" too, right? It's not like some everyday person outside of the Uchiha family has the ability to access the Sharingan (unless you get it implated), and the same rules apply for the Hyuuga. Naruto just happens to have the Kyuubi living inside his body. Gaara had the same thing (only I don't believe that was helping...). It's not like he's cheating. It's part of him. It's been part of him since he was small. I'm not saying he's some evil monster, duh, but the minute that thing was placed inside his body he gained a new "skill." A new "tool." Isn't that a reoccuring theme, here?

...One more thing. Am I the only one sitting around hopelessly wanting Sasuke to still have feelings (whatever those may be) for Naruto, and for them to run off towards Konoha in the sunset together? Or something similar. I bet Sai will be there supporting this. Besides, he's turned into the ultimate SasuNaru fanboy.

Comments

[thomasvye.livejournal.com]

So Naruto should do a deal with the devil?

[precincts.livejournal.com]

So the devil lives in Naruto?

He has been using the Kyuubi for a long time now, and while I fully support his want to become more independent, I don't think this is the right time. Of course it'll happen and he'll prove himself as all powerful, or whatever, but I don't think it's the wisest thing to do at this moment.

Sasuke pretty much made a deal with the devil, too.

[thomasvye.livejournal.com]

Heh. Well what happened to Sasuke was a classic case of human frailty. He was tempted and instead of resisting, he didn't so much as fall as leap right on in. Sasuke is the author of his own fall, having chosen his road, and if Sasuke is to be saved, he has to save himself.

A devil lives in Naruto, yes. The kyuubi. The Japanese youma and the Western devil aren't quite the same sort of being, but I certainly don't think the kyuubi is a friendly chap considering his past exploits. Naruto has been friendly(ish) with him and he's been friendly back; Naruto has used his chakra and the kyuubi gets to be a little free whenever he does so.

Now the seal is weakening (due to being eroded away through freeing the chakra of the youma?) and it has to be fresh in Naruto's mind right now what might happen, and that when it does, he won't even remember it, because it's not been long snce the kyuubi was all but out.

This moment might not be tactically conveniant, but it's as good a moment as he's going to get considering how complete his loss of control was last time he lost it.

[jay-apex.livejournal.com]

I think it was a mistake for Jiraiya to train Naruto on his Kyuubi powers. It seems to have only helped the seal break further.

[precincts.livejournal.com]

That's true. I think it's good that he knows, in a way, that he can use a bit of what he posesses, but he's going a bit too far. Maybe is Jiraiya had trained him more using his own abilities, not the Kyuubi's.

[ovendoor.livejournal.com]

I kind of agree, although, im proud of Naruto because he's not being controlled by the Kyuubi, which shows he has faith in himself.

ALTHOUGH, FOR GOODNESS SAKE KIDDO, 2 AND HALF YEARS OF TRAINING AND YOU DON'T HAVE MUCH TO SHOW? Come on already Naruto, buck up and show your stuff ;__; ignoring the fact that he's really really tired 8D

[precincts.livejournal.com]

I would have to agree (on both points). I'm glad he's not being controlled by the Kyuubi, but part of me also doesn't want him to lose all connection with the creature. To me, it's almost part of Naruto's allure (if that's a good way to put it).

[ovendoor.livejournal.com]

I totally agree!
And i agree on your point about the kyuubi and the bloodlines being a sort of 'help'. Loads of people bash Naruto for being weak and relying on the kyuubi, but isn't Sasuke just as bad? I mean the kid is even worse, he has Oro's seal on him and his bloodline. If he had neither of those, he'd be just as bad as Kyuubi-less Naruto or even worse since Naruto learnt how to do the kage bunshin without any kyuubi help. That goes for the Rasengan too -__-!

Sorry this is a waaaay delayed rant XD;

[thomasvye.livejournal.com]

Loads of people bash Naruto for being weak and relying on the kyuubi, but isn't Sasuke just as bad?

Oro's seal aside (and Sasuke didn't choose that, though he emraced it for sure), I hardly think it fair to say that Sasuke using the actual sharingan is weak or comparative to reliance on an external power source. He is an Uchiha after all. Sharingan is his birthright.

[precincts.livejournal.com]

True, but I'm mostly basing this on what I've seen so far happen, not on what would be the smart thing, even if it is very likely. The evidence so far is that he has new ability to tap into the Kyuubi's power and use it, whilst also giving a bit of himself away. Since that's all I've seen, that's all I'm going to assume as fact for now.

You are right, though. I wouldn't think they only concentrated on that.

[vaguehobbit.livejournal.com]

I agree with you on the Kyuubi thing.

Some shinobi use inherited skills, some use animals, some use puppets. The Kyuubi is (most likely) going to remain inside of Naruto for a long time and there is no purpose in ignoring it. Not using the Kyuubi is just a waste, especially since it really is all that Naruto has. Sure, Naruto has a lot of stamina, a few taijutsu movies, and rasengan, but he always most effective when he borrows Kyuubi chakra.

I can understand Naruto wanting to prove to himself that he is capable of fighting independent of the Kyuubi. Afterall, it can be harmful to his body. However, he is picking the most terrible time to make this change. And couldn't he just continue borrowing chakra without going into Kyuubi form? He shouldn't completely turn his back on the Kyuubi, instead he should just learn to be more controlled and use it less.

[precincts.livejournal.com]

The only part I really disagree with you on would be that I do think Naruto has it in him to be powerful, very powerful alone, in fact. Right now, though, both him and Sasuke are borrowing from an "outside source." Also, does Naruto know how to fight on his own? That can't be answered as of right now, and I think his best bet (currently) is to borrow Kyuubi chakra. Besides, the fox seems surprised that this is the first time Naruto has told him "no."

[vaguehobbit.livejournal.com]

I do think Naruto has the potential to be powerful on his own as you say, but I also agree his best bet it to borrow Kyuubi chakra. How will he fight on his own??? However, Naruto has never done things the normal or logical way, so despite my doubts I do believe Naruto could pull this off.

[thomasvye.livejournal.com]

Not using the Kyuubi is just a waste

But the kyuubi is not like other tools. The kyuubi, as far as I can see, is an enormously powerful and malicious youma and if it gets free it'll take out everything in it's path. That's what people fear.

[vaguehobbit.livejournal.com]

Yes, I know that it is a dangerous being. However, while it is there shouldn't he make at least minimal use of it? I don't think there is harm in using some of its chakra and refraining from going into fox form.

[thomasvye.livejournal.com]

The harm appears to be that whenever he does it, he weakens the seal and everytime the seal is weakened, the kyuubi that comes out is more wholly itself and less of Naruto every time. It may be that accessing it's chakra is getting more risky every time. Naruto can't even remember what happened at the bridge of Heaven and Earth, and knows this because he's been told, and on that occaision he didn't even exactly call on the chakra.

[seki-yumizu.livejournal.com]

The point actually is, that Kyuubi is propositioning Naruto to use his powers ^^; And because Kyuubi is the one propositioning and he uses the words "Who do you want to kill?" There's no way there's going to be a minimal use of Kyuubi chakra if Naruto lets him out a little. It's like asking the Kyuubi to head-on attack him and he trying to restrain Kyuubi in his mind while struggling to battle on the outside in physical form as well. So it's like a double edged sword.

I actually think it might be better for him to either full out reject or full out accept. There's no halfway point in this imho ^^;

[rinnychan.livejournal.com]

I really hope it stays in him. :( No one else knows Chiyo-baasama's jutsu.

[ex-duelist.livejournal.com]

The reason he can't use Kyuubi right now has been explicitly outlined in the manga -- the seal is weakening, he can't control Kyuubi's power as well as he once could, and bringing Kyuubi out has been physically injuring him. It's why he's weak right now, remember? Because he went Kyuubi and even his fast Jinchuuriki healing is having problems keeping up with the damage it inflicted on his body.

[distainful-baka.livejournal.com]

I think he's also noting there are periods of time which he can't recall, when Kyuubi's power overwhelmed him. I suppose he's not ready for it or what not, but if I was in such a position I wouldn't willingingly allow for that--Especially seeing as who's involved, I wouldn't want to risk killing off teammates no matter how sexy evil they are.

/ramble

[rinnychan.livejournal.com]

And let's not forget that Yamato is actually not letting him use it.

[ex-duelist.livejournal.com]

I'm thinking that's not an issue right now, since Shodai's necklace fell off, but I don't really remember whether that's what allows Yamato to seal Kyuubi at all or whether it just strengthens his jutsu.

[rinnychan.livejournal.com]

Aahhh. :O Point taken, point taken. I'm seeing the necklace falling off as a bad omen, too.

[kireiko.livejournal.com]

I don't think Naruto is blocking Kyuubi's power per se. Yamato had mentioned to Naruto that he has the power to control the Kyuubi chakra - that says something: Naruto has the power to control an even greater power... His own strength, his own power - I think that's what Naruto's going for. It's just taking a little bit longer to showcase it, I suppose.

As for treating the Kyuubi as 'help'? You just said it yourself: "I think he needs all the help he can get... (in regards to blocking the Kyuubi's power)". ^____^ Just kidding. But I didn't know that Naruto was training using the Kyuubi's power, or that he was perfecting his use on it. I guess I need to go back and read that... I skipped around a lot, I must have missed it! If that's the case, then disregard my first thoughts up there...

And dude, you're not the only one, there are whole comm's based on wanting to see that sunset vision play out. They'll take over the world, the world I tell you! ^___^

~kir

[precincts.livejournal.com]

I honestly remember thinking the same thing when Yamato mentioned a power block. Same thing being the same point I'm using here. I don't think Naruto is weak, and I agree that he has the ability on his own, but I (personally) don't think he has as much knowledge on his skills alone than his skills with Kyuubi aid, so to speak.

Yeah, the wording on the whole "help" thing wasn't my wisest choice. I throw words around. The above part was just to empasize the need for a somewhat known, "firm" ability.

I don't think the nature of their training is every specifically mentioned, I'm just basing my thoughts off the fact that I see him now, two and a half years later, with a heightened use of Kyuubi power. That's what Jiraiya was hoping for in earlier training, as well, so I pieced it together. ^^;

[rasenth.livejournal.com]

Yamato had mentioned to Naruto that he has the power to control the Kyuubi chakra - that says something

I think many people missed a small detail (or didn't mention it?)... after Sasuke's funky Chidori attack, Naruto's necklace falls off, which supposedly (unless I'm missing something O_o) gives Yamato the power to control Kyuubi's power.
If Naruto somehow does somehow give in to the will of the Kyuubi, holy crud, all hell is going to break loose. That Kyuubi does not look like it can be controlled anymore if Naruto accepts him. O_O;

[shounenhero.livejournal.com]

Naruto has and always will be too damn independent for his own good. He's also not the brightest crayon in the box -- we know that from MANY previous experiences. He doesn't know when to take help, but he gives it too often. I think it's just his nature that makes this decision for him.

[ormery.livejournal.com]

Well ... he's in a fairly enclosed space. With Yamato and Sai and Sakura. And he has less control over the Kyuubi when he's all emotional and stuff. And just a little Kyuubi probably wouldn't be enough to defeat Sasuke.

The way I see it, it's not so much about doing it By Himself as protecting his friends from the indiscriminate fiery wrath of the demon fox ... I mean, the Kyuubi actually asks him who he wants to kill, doesn't he? There and then, Naruto doesn't want to kill anyone. Having been pushed into having no control at all so recently, it's little wonder he's reluctant to let the Kyuubi out again.

[precincts.livejournal.com]

I never completely thought about it that way. I would have to agree, for the most part, though I don't think that he's currently aiming to defeat Sasuke. For now I just think he wants the Uchiha to concentrate enough to exchange a few words, get what's going on, hear what Naruto feels like yelling at him, and if things come to a fight, so be it. Right now I don't think they're (or Naruto, at least) is not aiming for some epic battle. "A little" Kyuubi could work in this situation, but who is to say they will even get that far? I mostly think that the idea of blocking is bad for the whole situation. That being the fact that they are in enemy territory and I don't really think Orochimaru would just let them walk out of there.

[seki-yumizu.livejournal.com]

Thing is, Kyuubi told Naruto himself to let him out ^^;;;; Release the seal literally. Knowing Kyuubi, what would letting him out entail? There's no way there would be a "little" Kyuubi if Naruto said yes and gave in.

[nan-desu-ka.livejournal.com]

Uhm ... why is the Kyuubi all bubbly? I get the halfway out of the cage thing, since the seal is weakening, but the bubbly thing is just odd.

[seki-yumizu.livejournal.com]

His bubblebath got interrupted when Naruto went back to that place?

[nan-desu-ka.livejournal.com]

Rofl oh man. Do you like scented bubblebaths, Kyuubi? He plays with little yellow duckies too, I'm sure.

[ryuuraigeki.livejournal.com]

XD *cracks up*

[seki-yumizu.livejournal.com]

I want a Kyuubi bathtoy ;__;
and his yellow ducky

[audiopilot.livejournal.com]

The Kyuubi's chakra? When Naruto started popping tails out, the chakra surrounding him was all bubbly like that too, if I remember correctly.

[nan-desu-ka.livejournal.com]

Ah, ok. That makes sense. I thought the Kyuubi's chakra was just red, though. But maybe the more Naruto uses the more it turns bubbly too?? I think I remember in the Valley of the End arc that it was bubbly around his arm and he was complaining that his arm was getting numb.

[audiopilot.livejournal.com]

Mmm yeah, the bubbling is to signify that the chakra is the Kyuubi's and show just how powerful it is. I don't remember him complaining about it being numb, and it surrounded his entire body. Unless that part was in the anime? I just read the manga. :P

[nan-desu-ka.livejournal.com]

Yeah, it was in the anime. I don't know if it was in the manga. I can't remember.

[teh-goat-girl.livejournal.com]

Sakura should have been able to punch Sasuke in the face. D: We were all waiting for that, and just when she goes to do it, Yamato blocks her and makes me hate him as a character even more~

SWORD, WHAT SWORD. SHE'S SKINNY, SHE COULD HAVE DODGED IT. >>

Also all the SasuNaru is making me sick. Sorry guys, but too much of one thing grates on one's nerves after a while.

[nan-desu-ka.livejournal.com]

That's because Kishimoto never lets Sakura do anything. She's there to look pretty and that's about it. He really needs to let her stop sucking though.

[teh-goat-girl.livejournal.com]

He's like that with all of his girls. It's sad, really. D:

[rinnychan.livejournal.com]

Why do boys try so hard????? DDDDD: !!!!!

[vaguehobbit.livejournal.com]

Could Sakura punch Sasuke? Or would she have a dramatic emotional pause and resort to hugging him? Kishimoto does make Sakura suck... I just hope the Sakura realizes this is NOT the same Sasuke she has a crush on.

I don't like SasuNaru either.

[sevetenks.livejournal.com]

Um... I don't want to start anything, but it IS the Sasuke she has a crush on. He's not Orochimaru's new body yet and all. He's made bad decisions and is definetely different than he used to be, but he's still Sasuke.

Then again, the Sasuke she had a crush on was this quiet affectionate dude that was too shy to say anything nice. AKA sexy no jutsu hinata someone who did not
exist.

^_^'

THE SASUKE YOU KNEW NEVER EXISTED." *STAB*

[teh-goat-girl.livejournal.com]

Yes, he is the Sasuke she had a crush on, but she was ready to punch him even as he went for her for with that sword of his. If Yamato hadn't gotten in the way, she would have likely done something.

But of course, no. Sakura in action would mean less SasuNaru, and we can't have that!

Sorry for the sarcasm. D: Kishimoto's just disappointing me lately.

[vaguehobbit.livejournal.com]

I didn't mean a different body or anything like that. I just meant that he has changed a lot, and he doesn't seem to have any mercy (or any emotions for that matter). I don't think he would hesitate to kill. Of course, he might just be concealing his emotions. Either way, he has changed.