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*wave* Hello, I’ve been threatened …persuaded into posting something here by [livejournal.com profile] sunsitenthai after she wrote her amazing Sasuke essay. And by ‘something’ I mean lots of rambling and analysis concerning Itachi, because he’s always been horrendously portrayed in fandom. So, without further ado, let’s talk about the Uchiha prodigy.


Warning: I haven’t dedicated a lot of analysis to the events post-time skip yet. I don’t think it matters with my main point though. I don’t really talk about Akatsuki either. Also, I quote and paraphrase from the scanlations, which are the source of my analysis.

First off, what motivates Itachi? He says it himself: capacity. He seems obsessed with his own potential, to see how far he can go, where is his limit and can he surpass it? It’s not surprising that he focuses on this. Itachi was a genius among geniuses. He was complimented for his talent, so of course he would want to know exactly where he stood. He was surrounded by people who admired him, had expectations for him, and were even a little fearful. He acknowledges what it means to be strong, how those who are powerful become ‘isolated and arrogant’ (interesting that he says this to Sasuke, who tries to be exactly like that.)

He is not a very open, friendly person by nature, but the way his peers viewed him only contributed to his introversion. Resentment develops both ways. Notice how quick others are to harshly accuse him, the ‘admired’ star of the clan. He says to them, “It is not wise to judge others by your preconceptions and their appearances.” This is in response to the death of Shisui, but it also implies that they are wrong in judging Itachi, as well. Not that they are wrong in accusing him of the murder, but that everyone is wrong to measure him by their standards. He pretty much tells them that he is more capable than what they believe, and his aggressions say that he can and will take action.

So why the murder of his clan? Resentment is not enough, especially not for someone as purposeful as Itachi. He had his reasons, which to him, were perfectly logical.

1. To measure his potential. The Uchiha clan is strong, certainly worthy opponents.
2. They were in his way. Because of the expectations and rules of his family, he was unable to realize his full potential. They made the fuss about it in the first place.
3. To open a way for Sasuke, though it’s just a possibility, it’s something that interests Itachi.

Not to say that the blame is entirely the clan’s. Itachi made a choice, after all. A choice that was, to him, a reasonable conclusion. According to social norms, this is crazy. Someone who kills their family for a cold-blooded reason like potential isn’t sane. But Itachi is a genius. A prodigy. The rules of society are not the same to people on his level (or perhaps there is no level and he’s just insane. But we’re not arguing what madness is here.)

So we have Itachi’s reason, his motivation, and a basic idea of his goal. Now let’s talk about Itachi and Sasuke.

Itachi is not motivated solely by his brother, that much is certain and also a huge misconception. Sasuke is obsessed with his sibling, but the reverse is not true of Itachi. If Sasuke fails, it would be a deep disappointment, but it would hardly remove Itachi’s reason for living. It is not the reason he does what he does.

The fact remains that he did let his younger brother live. He told him to live hating him, to thrive on that hatred and seek revenge – only then would Itachi acknowledge him. With the clan gone, Sasuke also has the potential to become greater than before. The prodigy is not one to let things go to waste, he’s careful like that, and he’s smart. Sasuke was scared, all alone, and utterly, a blank slate. His death would be pointless, but what about his life? Sasuke would hate him for what he did; hate his only family as terribly as Itachi had hated. He saw a possibility of himself in his brother, and then a curiosity. Could his weak little brother amount to anything, if driven by the same hatred Itachi had felt? If Sasuke was someday a worthy adversary, that would be excellent. It was twisted, genius, and worthy. So he let his brother go, to carry that grudge, to someday seek his own capacity.

But not until Sasuke was strong enough. Itachi’s disappointment was clear when he encountered his sibling later. “Why are you so weak?” How could he be like this if he hated him as much as he claimed? “Still not enough hatred.” So he needed to break him again. “I have absolutely no interest in you right now.” The truth, and a taunt. Hurt him so he would remember the depths of his hatred.

It is possible Itachi does want Sasuke to kill him. Possible, but not very. If that does end up being the case, as I’m sure Itachi has acknowledged, then it would simply mean Sasuke’s potential was greater, that he was right to spare him. Itachi wins no matter what happens.

Backtracking to their past… Itachi contradicts what he says to Sasuke when they are alone, and what he does to others. Is his kindness to his brother false, or did he struggle with some sort of inner debate over his chosen course of action? Well, it’s obvious how a possible debate ended (proof that love can’t ‘save’ Itachi. More on that later.) Sasuke did love him though, perhaps it was blind adoration, but it was also without reservation. He put Itachi on a pedestal and saw only the good. He didn’t have the ugly, suspicious mind of an adult, and perhaps that innocence and sincerity had enough of an affect on Itachi to allow him to treat Sasuke gently…for a while. It was inevitable that Sasuke would have to be disillusioned, and Itachi was becoming more and more focused on his objective, pushing all other things out.

Now that’s I’ve laid down the basis of the Itachi and Sasuke relationship… Hey, let’s talk about sex.



I’m sorry, Itachi is not a particularly sexual being. There’s absolutely no evidence that might indicate that he’s at all interested in raping anybody, and the notion doesn’t work with his character and objective. Itachi is cold. Even Sasuke is warmer and more passionate in comparison, but Itachi is totally unflappable. Quite frankly, he doesn’t seem like the type that would be much fun (or good, for that matter—wait, he is a genius, I take that back) in bed to begin with. Anyway, sex is not something he wants unless it’s necessary. Above all else, raping Sasuke (or Naruto, or Sakura, or anybody) will not help him reach his goal. Contrary to popular belief, Itachi is not sadistic. He does not revel in the deaths of his family, he’s not affected when he inflicts injuries on others. He takes necessary actions and dislikes expending more effort than is required (example: he says to Kisame, “But don’t do too much. Your work can be too excessive.”)

Raping Sasuke would not break him. Simply put, Sasuke is now no stranger to Itachi hurting him. What Itachi would want is to get past the defenses, truly hurt him the way he did when he killed his own clan, and the key is trust. The reason Sasuke was so traumatized was because of the betrayal. That is why Itachi uses his Tsukiyomi to make Sasuke relive the death of his parents, because that one event was the key that fed his hatred. Unless Itachi can win back his brother’s trust to break again, bodily harm would prove ineffective. He wouldn’t bother with that.

Now, less about sex and more about love.

Usually, Itachi falling in love is assumed to be equivalent to him being redeemed. Except to him, there’s nothing he needs to repent for. For him to truly realize and feel that his actions are wrong, he would have to abandon his pursuit of potential. Dewy-eyed girls with kind, gentle hearts aren’t going to be enough to convince him.

Is it possible for him to fall in love, in some manner that’s unique to him (it would have to be, since normal conceptions of love don’t apply)? Well…yes, supposedly. It would not change him though. The biggest problem is that it would not contribute to his ambition. Itachi is the one and only person who can realize his own capacity. A love interest is essentially worthless to him, and he wouldn’t waste anything on the frivolities of romance. He’s too dispassionate for torrid affairs, as well.

…To be honest, I haven’t been very interested in fandom recently, so I don’t know what other misconceptions are running rampant. It’s mostly the rape and love that I remember being prominent. I’m not even sure I want to know what else is happening to Itachi in fandom. Um, and that's about it, at the moment. I have a real honest-to-god essay that's much more detailed and concise than this, but's it's incomplete. So feel free to debate whatever I've said here, or bring up new points!

Date: 2006-06-08 09:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hitokiridirk.livejournal.com
FINALLY!!!

Someone who realizes that Itachi is NOT a bishie, but a cold-blooded killer with a heart of granite!

(is sick of all of the Itachi yaoi)

Date: 2007-12-26 05:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] psycho-freak77.livejournal.com
i disagree. in fanfiction it all depends on how the author writes the character and how they justify thier actions (for example, i've read some pretty good ItaSasu fics that work well with the manga storyline as well as the idea that the author was writing). so, depending on how itachi's character is written it could be possible for itachi to show feelings, and possibly feel love. it all depends on how the author writes the character.

Date: 2007-12-26 07:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hitokiridirk.livejournal.com
Within canon however, Itachi is nothing like how he is conventionally written in fanfiction. I would dare to say that Canon!Itachi, and Fanfic!Itachi could be considered seperate characters entirely, for how differently they're portrayed.

Date: 2007-12-26 11:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] psycho-freak77.livejournal.com
once again, it depends on the author and thier opinion of the character. i find some portrayals of itachi very plausible, while some other people (like you) don't. it's just a difference of opinion.

Date: 2006-06-08 09:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sweet-chii.livejournal.com
I really enjoyed reading this. Itachi is quite misunderstood in the fandom concerning his love-life and sex-life. He doesn't seem like the type of person to get lovey-dovey with anyone. Mhmm, and I can't help but giggle at the cuteness of your icon up there. "Wants your soul?" Aww. XD

Date: 2006-06-08 10:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sweet-chii.livejournal.com
Yeah.. he rarely ever shows his emotions, much less if he took pleasure in others' pain.

Haha, now that you mention it, it is quite creepy. But they're BIG eyes. :O

Date: 2006-06-08 10:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sweet-chii.livejournal.com
*rofl* OMG. Now it looks extremely creepy. Ahh.. blood and brainz. Scary. Dx *shields eyes* Haha.

Date: 2006-06-08 09:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] larka-14.livejournal.com
LOL VIRGIN ITACHI!

Date: 2006-06-08 10:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] larka-14.livejournal.com
No, I say he's a virgin. What girl would want to sleep with that pshyco XD?

If he's not, then I believe he slept with one of the aksatsuki or whatever they're called >.>

Date: 2006-06-08 09:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-nowitzki.livejournal.com
I pretty much agree with everything that you said. And as for Itachi and love. I don't think they really go together. He really doesn't seem like the type that would need it..

Date: 2006-06-10 02:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-nowitzki.livejournal.com
yeah! yeah! yeah! "Itachi's perception of the world is so different". You pretty much just said everything about him right there. Love AND hate (I think) are different for him. anyway,
Itachi just doesn't seem like the typical "family man" if you ask me..

Date: 2006-06-08 10:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rose.livejournal.com
Agreed, dear lord do I EVER agree! Power, as Itachi states, is pure hate. Thus why Sasuke is "weaker" than him - because he still has the ability TO love and to perhaps one day have a relationship. Itachi does not. His redemption would be his downfall, not the loosing of his virginity. His epiphany would come from him dying at the hands of someone he so badly wronged. Itachi is asexual, I think. I don't think he even has the rapist cues inside of him because it would be such a distraction from his main goals: total power, the testing of his limits - not rape, or masochism or sadism, either. Itachi, at this point in time, and probably for the rest of his existant, is a wall. That is his character. You never seem him flinch under threat, as Orochimaru does when faced with different outcomes. You never see him raise his voice or let passion get to the better of him... He is just that: a wall.


Excellent job! :D Finally nice to see some "realistic" takes on his character :D

Date: 2006-06-08 10:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kunoichi-jaden.livejournal.com
Your Hyde icon makes my heart spasm. Can I steal it? *can't wait for anaheim concert*

Date: 2006-06-08 11:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rose.livejournal.com
Exactly! He is the EXACT opposite in the sense of Orochimaru because, well, Orochimaru STILL has emotional ties to certain things, and you can see this by the way he reacts when under attack or facing a major challenge. Like with the Akatsuki - he wants to LEAVE them to Konoha. Itachi would never do that. If he had a goal in mind, he would take care of it - end of discussion.

Not only that but not all "villians" are rapists. Itachi is more complex than people sometimes give him credit for in that department. Though he is a wall - he is complex in the sense that he chooses and sticks to his drives, and just that. While Orochimaru, on the other hand, would more likely be a rapist if there need be for one because he still has those emotional ties and well, he is the ultimate BDSM symbol. Blood really gets, well, his blood going. Unlike Itachi, who doesn't even react.

Not saying one is better than the other (Itachi v. Orochimaru) just, well, LET'S JUST BE REASONABLE HERE XD

And ditto! I'm going to admit - he isn't my favoooourite character but I so respect him as what he is, you know? He's the closest thing to a true mazoku this series is going to get! XD

Date: 2006-06-08 11:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rose.livejournal.com
Well, P.S to thing on Orochimaru v. Itachi -
Orochimaru is also a coward, where as Itachi is not. A coward in the sense that he plans his tactics and uses others as a front shield first - where as Itachi... just does his own thing (aside from Kisame, really, but even so...), at least SO far in the series! Whew XD;

Date: 2006-06-08 10:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] la-belle-roo.livejournal.com
Very well thought out, and incredibly insightful.

Date: 2006-06-08 10:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kayuuko.livejournal.com
Really great ^^ I agree with most of what you say but I actually think Itachi is STILL way to mysterious to be fully analyzed~ Since with his character and his quiet nature and the "I don't tell you anything about my thoughts"-thing everything is still possible. Nobody knows what he is thinking... Still waters run deep.

I actually think there is more to his actions than this "to measure his strength" statement... I don't think he is THAT much obsessed with it. And we really don't know MUCH about his past. We just know what Sasuke knows.

What's still a mystery for me is the reason why he joined Akatsuki... since being part of that group won't really make him stronger/better...

Date: 2006-06-08 10:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kayuuko.livejournal.com
At the end he will do what HE likes to do~ I can't imagine him to do anything else or what Akatsuki wants even O_o. He HAS his own plans...

He isn't the type who would take orders after all... Because of that I think there is a deeper meaning to his actions...

I actually like Akatsuki the way they are now: A bunch of freaks *LOL*

Haha the cut-down essay was still great XD But I wouldn't mind a longer one *giggles*

Date: 2006-06-08 11:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kayuuko.livejournal.com
That's true... they aren't really controlled but the leader is definately the one who keeps everything in order... I especially remember the part when Itachi did not want to tell Sasori and Deidara about Naruto's looks but told them when leader said he has to... (and I hate the fact that SOME people interpret this like as if Itachi was blind all the time and because of that was not able to tell them how Naruto looks -_-").

Haha but it still was great so far... and omg if you ever post this essay I'll read it for sure O_O

Date: 2006-06-08 11:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lady-integral.livejournal.com
And what a fuck is Itachi living for?

Date: 2006-06-09 04:06 pm (UTC)
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Date: 2006-06-09 12:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nayami.livejournal.com
While I believe this essay was well constructed and presents good points, I find it hard to truly and accurately analyze Itachi until the true reasons for his killing his clan and leaving Sasuke are brought to light. Itachi possesses far too many layers as the canon now presents for me to even begin to sort out what's the real Itachi and what's the fake. Itachi introduces the same problem as similar characters of his enigmatic and stoic nature. I do not believe Itachi is a manipulator like most of his archtypes, but I also don't think he's an entirely complete composition as of yet.

I know I hated Itachi for a long time at least until observing his interaction with young Sasuke in the time anime and seeing that there was once something beyond the emotionless being we are shown. I'm not going to speculate what that was since I'm not sure and it was clouded in actions of disinterest and later betrayal, but it was enough to make me take another look at the boy.

I do agree that fanon rapes Itachi in horrible ways because he's a hot bishie and engages in evil actions. Most fanon has a special subset of fanworks for such a character and tend to characterize them as sex idols or rapists. It's not a new thing.

Date: 2006-06-09 01:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queenoftea.livejournal.com
Thank you so much. Great essay! That about sums up about how I feel about Itachi. He's interesting, but I'm sick of the fangirls and boys whinging about 'he did it for Sasuke!!!' and 'OMG he's so hawt!'. I'm very dubious about that theory. He killed his entire clan. Some of his victims were defenceless. There is absolutely no excuse for what he did and he doesn't regret it at all. If he really wanted to help Sasuke grow, why didn't he actually spend five minutes with him to help with his kunai skills? Not challenging enough?

I get the impression - this is just my interpretation - that Sasuke is an interesting diversion for him. He wants to bait Sasuke just to see if he can actually do it, actually kill him, out of vague curiosity. Beyond that, I can't speculate. And he's one of those Naruto characters who just seems asexual to me, like Kakashi and Gaara. Sex just isn't important.

Itachi will die, unfortunately, this IS a shonen manga, so we better I hope we get some more decent backstory before then.

Date: 2006-06-09 02:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] caninedreamer.livejournal.com
That is a very interesting and balanced view of Itachi, with some proper snark :P

I will agree on most points, and most strongly with Itachi's reason for killing his family being that he felt restricted by their stagnant roles and stringent expectations. That is the most logical explanation, I feel, and fits best with what has been revealed so far about the Enigma that is Itachi. I particularly enjoyed your thoughts on his relationship with Sasuke. My own thoughts were that Sasuke was actually a rather large part of his goals, what little of them is known. For the time being, with the knowledge given and the absence of any real facts whatever about what Itachi's ultimate goals are, I would give Sasuke more weight in Itachi's life. This idea is based largely on the fact that he has no one but Sasuke and himself to care about excluding all romantic notions about Kisame, and he does care about Sasuke in some manner.

I would say, also, that Itachi is a tad (tiny, tiny smidge) more feeling than you indicate in the above. I do not mean in the romantic way (good points for that too, by the way) but that he definitely has an irritable undercurrent. He is not calm and cool, he is coldly aggressive. The best example of this is when he attacked the three clan members who confronted him about Shisui. He really just snapped on them completely, sans outward emotion (just in his words). I always viewed Itachi as collectedly hostile. Evil, when you get down to it.

About redemption, nah :) I would love for Sasuke to face him, have Itachi say something really touching about why he killed the family so that Sasuke could reach his full potential, have Sasuke kill him, and then forever feel a tinge of remorse even though he still hates Itachi (not forgive him). Of course, that's just idealistic mush, but, hey! I do wonder, though. I honestly wonder what's going on inside that head. What sort of twisted mind has that man got? I wonder if he is as cold through and through as he appears.

For the record, I never got the raping thing myself. Or the relationship with Sakura >.> and Hinata. WHY? The world may never know. I think that he certainly has better things to do, whatever those are, than have lovey-dovey affairs with young potential enemies :P

I would also love to know more about his reasons for joining Akatsuki, or rather, what is doing with them? Not all of them are looking for the jinchuuriki all the time. They're all individuals with goals, so, what is Itachi's?

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