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yeah, i was thinking of that too. but with what Itachi gave him, isnt that supposed to make him stronger?

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ha! some trick (he will use at the very end) will save him. i can already SMELL it! >_

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I don't think those are supposed to be bite marks on Karin -- I'd figured they were a remnant of some tinkering Oro did to her to refine her abilities.

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I'm pretty sure they're bite marks, they look exactly the same as the ones on her arm.

Either way, HOT DAMN. Sasuke is one lucky bastard. *__*

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I was under the impression that all those marks were her curse seal activating. Huh.

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really? O_o

she looked..eewwy. (haha:D)

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He is not weak - he is stupid. He attacked the jinchuuriki without a plan or strategy, or without finding out about his strengths and weaknesses. With Itachi he was quite the contrary, and with Deidara he managed to come up with some good tricks in the middle of the fight.

I have no idea why now he attacks without thinking...

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I imagine it is a case of Sasuke just getting too cocky and thinking that the Hachibi would be as easy for him to fight as Naruto, who is after all the Jinchuuriki of the most powerful tailed beast. Also, to Sasuke capturing the Hachibi isn't part of his end goal, so this fight isn't as personal to him as say..Itachi or the VotE fight, so I don't think he's trying as hard as he might have otherwise.

And well how exactly was Sasuke supposed to know a)the Hachibi could resist genjutsu, and b)that his own attacks would be that powerful?

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Try to collect information? Find a strategy to make the jinchuuriki show his techniques without plunging into danger? Or even considering the possibility that he might be strong and fighting a bit more cautiously instead of just running into his swords?

(Though I hold it possible that making the jinchuuriki change his form is part of Sasuke's strategy.)

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It could just be possible he's missing Naruto so much he's started to channel Naru's insanity to just charge in. *shrug* :P

As I said, I just believe Sasuke got overconfident about his ability to handle Jinchuuriki. When you think your opponent will be that easy to beat who honestly cares how he tries to fight?

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yeah..its not like sasuke..

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I have to agree with you here. He is acting uncharacteristically stupid in battle. There's no two ways about it.

I'm thinking one reason may be that Kishimoto is trying to portray that Sasuke is still "growing", and that he still has some way to go before truly accomplishing his goals like Naruto. Perhaps he felt that people thought he would be able to take out Madara easily with his Mangekyou or something, and that there was not much tension in seeing whether he could accomplish his objective or not.

Of course making him act like this is out-of-character when it comes to battle and could make the plot suffer as a result, but it could serve a temporary purpose of making him grow further (at least I hope so, and I hope this wasn't just random plot-induced stupidity).

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I'm thinking one reason may be that Kishimoto is trying to portray that Sasuke is still "growing",

quite possible, but for me, i think Sasuke had done enough "growing". i mean inst it time for him to stand up, and really show what he's got?!

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"still growing" would make sense if this was not a regression from former strategic skills.

I think that Sasuke has a very clear view of himself - that he is very strong, but no way invincible. I don't think he would attack Madara at that point (in spite of his proud announcement that Madara is next on his list.) His main mistake was underestimating the jinchuuriki, and I have no idea why.

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I actually agree with you here, that's why I bring up the plot suffering as a side-effect. It would seem that - if Kishimoto were pursuing this idea of him still "growing" - he's actually trying to create an issue where none exists. Sasuke is a ninja genius and has a strong sense of self-identity and where he wants to be with his own signature moral code- even despite the setbacks of personal tragedy, manipulation, temptation, and all other things which can lead someone astray. Regardless of his path and everything that's happened, he's stayed true to himself while displaying his growth.

Hence the reason why this is not good writing with this current OOC behavior, especially when no reason is given for it. If Kishimoto wants to suddenly say that Sasuke is growing and that he's still building his credibility as being a known ninja genius and that he still needs to mature his mental state through this battle with the 8-tails, it'll just make people wonder why Sasuke was different, more mature, and a better fighter previous to this encounter. It would just make it seem as if Kishimoto temporarily regressed Sasuke's character for the sake of making him "grow" (in other words, make him the same as before this encounter) later on. It would be a cheap tactic to do, but I could see it being done.

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plus sasuke displayed so much power over his fight with Oro and his brother, that being defeated by the nine-tails will be so lame.

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I was quite amused to see Sasuke get his ass handed to him over and over. But it did seem out of place since he's been shown as so powerful lately.

I was thinking back to when Sasuke and Naruto first come across each other in Shippuden. Naruto is in his own mind talking to the bubbly Kyuubi and Sasuke shows up and is all like "oh so this was inside you" and then makes Kyuubi disappear. Back in the real world Naruto loses any signs of using the Kyuubi's power and we're lead to believe that Sasuke can supress a Jinchuuriki from using their power.

But now that Sasuke is fighting the Hachibi and no little mind tricks are occuring... I'm totally confused!

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I think it was stated somewhere - the Madara chapters where he was talking on and on and on and on? - that the Uchiha had a kind of control over the Kyuubi.. thus him being able to pop the bubbles and stuff. The Shodaime was the one with the ability to suppress all demon beats if I remember right.

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yeah..i remember he acted so really powerful..

???*confused*

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Ahhh so its specific to the Kyuubi! I'd forgotten a bit of what Madara babbled on about ^_^; Thanks for that!

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Honestly, I'm baffled as to why Sasuke is fighting the way he is since he's clearly not fighting normally. The "Snake" Sasuke would have never made the same mistakes nor went in underestimating his opponent as much as this new "Hawk" Sasuke. His mindset and objective during battle was much more strategically and tactically sound in his previous fights than in his current fights. For example:

-In his fight against Orochimaru, Sasuke made sure to bind and stun Orochimaru's arms with the Chidori sword before they even fought to stop him from using his jutsu. Not only that but he planned that betrayal and knew he could defeat Orochimaru's body-switch with the Sharingan.
-In his fight against Deidara, he made sure to test out his theory that Deidara's clay was weak against his lightning, even going as far as sacrificing his own wing for defense to make sure his Chidori powered Kusanagi could take out Deidara's land mines. As a contingency, he had the long range jutsu (Kirin or Katon: Gouryuuka) to take Deidara out just in case his theory turned out to be incorrect.
-Against Itachi, he had trained and planned on defeating Itachi's genjutsu, weapons prowess (he knew Itachi was a master at that since he was the one who trained him in shuriken), and Amaterasu. For all of Itachi's moves, he had a contingency plan with the exception of Susanoo, which no one could have predicted.

Not only that, but Sasuke was stronger than he is currently. The "Snake" Sasuke had summoning (including Manda) for offense and defense, advanced healing, capability of flight, and strong defense via his cursed seal wings which could block against jinchuuriki attacks and explosions. The new Sasuke has lost all of this and gotten nothing in return except for a double edged sword in regards to the Mangekyou and which one of the moves is useless (another genjutsu when he was already the best living genjutsu user in the series next to Madara). The previous Sasuke would have never needed to be saved on two occasions by Hawk, and would have never looked so bad in regards to tactics and strategy. It's an embarrassment and out of character.

I don't know as to the reason why this is, but I'm guessing Kishimoto wanted to show a true team battle in part II, since the "Snake" Sasuke and the "Hawk" Sasuke have two different approaches to battle. Not taking anything away from the 8-tail's prowess, but Sasuke could have done much better, even without all his tools when he was a "Snake". I sincerely hope Sasuke takes this as a learning lesson and doesn't try the same approach when it comes to Madara or it'll just end badly.

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so..he just ended up being cocky and all that, and gets his ass kicked?

(gee, so not like sasuke)

though i dont really like him, i dont want him to lose with that kind of fighting (at least lose with a good fight), or i dont want him either to win with a last-minute-trick-up-on-his-sleeve. it will just be..predictable.

maybe kishi's eating paper nowadays..his work is getting stranger and stranger......(here we go again)

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It's really the reason why having someone act out of character for the sake of plot is bad writing. It'll just make the conclusion and the story suffer as a whole. Sasuke is cocky and confident - there's no question about that - but these types of mistakes don't even fit in with his previous actions in battle. In the past when Sasuke acted this reckless and stupid in battle, it always had to do with his emotional state during the time and was understandable. For example, he lost his mind when he first saw Itachi in the hallway, and also he fought recklessly against Naruto on the rooftop because he was in a damaged mental state. Even against Rock Lee he was acting high and mighty because he just learned how to activate the Sharingan previously, and he was trying to prove that the Uchiha were the best.

Contrast this with the 8-tails situation; what is his excuse for acting like this, charging recklessly, lowering his guard, not even taking any precautions? He's not trying to prove anything to himself nor does it play on his vulnerable state in regards to vengeance or Itachi. He's not too emotional or acting from a sticking point of feelings of inferiority. It doesn't seem as if he's trying to prove that he's the supreme fighter considering that he has no reservations about using his team for help. All that's happening is that he's making mistakes he has no business making, especially when you just compare it to his previous fights; even when his past opponents were about to kill him or had him in a vulnerable position, he never let himself open like he is doing now. The only question is why he is being portrayed like this at this time.

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i agree with you in most parts, but i think OOC cannot be totally classified as bad writing. i mean OOC can be a good, alternative perspective for us readers who seemed to be bored at times.

but with sasuke, i agree with you that he is acting very differently. could it be that he might be thinking that he is so close to getting naruto (after he defeats 8-tail..)?

in line with that, im kinda thinking of possible scenes for Sasuke and Naruto's upcoming reunion..will Sasuke act differently again?

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I do agree that some parts where people act OOC aren't always bad. I still remember that episode where Team 7 were trying to get a look at Kakashi's mask. That was pure gold =D

What I meant in the effects of acting OOC was that, like you said before, it may just result in a lame conclusion where Sasuke just pulls out a jutsu to end the 8-tails in his most powerful state (fully-transformed), when previously he was having trouble with him in his regular state. If they had Sasuke fighting normally, it would be acceptable since the 8-tails would be pressed into transforming and we would know Sasuke could still compete with his uber jutsu.

With this however, it makes you question why the 8-tails even transformed in the first place when he wasn't even having trouble before, and it makes both Sasuke and the 8-tails look stupid that Sasuke could beat him in one-shot in his most powerful form, but was getting killed when he wasn't even transformed. It wouldn't even make much sense and would just amount to bad plot.

I wish it was easier to know what Sasuke is thinking. About Naruto though, I believe Sasuke thinks he would be able to betray Madara and take Akatsuki's power for his own before Naruto is even involved or seriously threatened by death. He did bring up the "Kyuubi" for a reason to Madara in questioning if they captured it or not (when he knew perfectly well that they never captured Naruto, seeing as how he just saw him before the fight with Itachi), so he definitely has an interest in what they do with Naruto.

The only concern is that if he attempts to treat Madara like he treated the 8-tails, he won't have the luxury of thinking about Naruto because Madara would have already won. This should serve as a learning experience for him.

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Off-topic but I liked reading your posts on NF in the past. I've taken a break from that place for a while now though.

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You posted in the fanclubs more from what I remember, and I recall you were a big Itachi fan (as well as Sasuke fan too).^^

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hohooo this actually makes me wonder: What if Sasuke ends up regretting those lost powers, such as the curse seal etc? Maybe he's assuming that he must be weaker now that he doesn't have Oro's extra array of jutsu, doubting himself? It could be turned into something quite interesting, if Sasuke couldn't decide whether he wanted that power back (it wouldn't surprise me actually, with his character) or not.

MMmmmmm I dunno, just thinking out loud. Perhaps he's not convinced that he can still be just as strong as he was before.

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Considering the way he attacked the jinchuuriki, he was very convinced of himself.

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