Sasuke-rant

[fork-my-eye.livejournal.com]

I'll put this under a cut just because it contains spoilers for chapter 306+

and... don't read it if you're a sasuke-fan

Does anyone else besides me think that the manga's focussing a lot on Sasuke? I understand that there are two distinct villian groups in  the series - Orochimaru and his subordinates, and the Akatsuki. But it seems like Naruto and Sakura are so obsessed with Sasuke. I just don't see how he could ever return to Konoha. I mean... Sasuke betrayed everyone...  and when Konoha finally finds him... he's no different. He's arrogant, shows no emotion, and has absolutely NO interest in returning to his home town. Why is Sasuke such a freaking big deal? Orochimaru left Konoha a long time ago. Jiraiya mentions having faught with him and then later tailing him... but why is Sasuke so important to Konoha right now that they even let Sakura and Sasuke get anywhere near Orochi's lair? Can't they just forget about Sasuke?!

Does anyone else feel like Sasuke should just leave the manga forever? He's really angering me. I wish that Kishimoto would focus more on the Akatsuki. Honestly I think that's a MUCH bigger threat to Konoha and the entire ninja world in general. Yea... Sasuke used to be a "good friend," but why don't Sakura and Naruto... AFTER TWO AND A HALF YEARS... realize that he's totally changed? It's not like Sasuke can get the crap beaten out of him and then be all like "oh you guys are right after all, let me return my years with Orochimaru and come back and live happily in Kohoha with you guys"

I don't know. Maybe I'm exagerating or something... but I'm just really tired of Sasuke already and he's only been around for 3 chapters. I already can't stand him. He's so arrogant and egotistical "look how special my sword is" Ya know what? I hope he gets his sharingans stabbed out.  and... i bet you he still can't beat Itachi.

Comments

[des-butterfly.livejournal.com]

I am a mystic psychic...already I predict mountains of wank for this post.

Those who want popcorn, come see me. I'll be in the corner with the munchies. ^_^

[kireiko.livejournal.com]

Ooh, can I have white cheddar on mine? What else you got?

I foresee some interesting things to read in a little while...

*joins des_butterfly in the corner*

^____^

~kir

[zeolla.livejournal.com]

I agree 100%, especially on the last line :)

[fork-my-eye.livejournal.com]

weee someone agrees with me *flails wildly*

[ex-duelist.livejournal.com]

Kishimoto has publically stated that Sasuke is his favorite character. You'll just have to grin and bear it, I'm afraid.

I'd like to remind everyone reading this to keep your comments respectful to other users or you run the risk of being reprimanded, warned, or even banned.

[fork-my-eye.livejournal.com]

*head desk*

[ryo0oki.livejournal.com]

Sasuke is Naruto's most important person because of their interactions when they were younger and when they got put on the same team. He's also the only person Naruto hasn't "saved." He's also Kishimoto's favorite character. xD

As for whether or not Sasuke can beat Itachi... I fully believe that the Itachi thing will be resolved when the manga ends. However, Sasuke being stronger than Itachi at 15 is kind of.... eh. Maybe there will be another time skip or something, because honestly, I just don't see how the Naruto characters can challenge Akatsuki members at this point. Then again, Sakura and whatshername beat Sasori, so eh. Who knows.

Uhhh I don't understand why you tell Sasuke fans not to read this though. I mean, do you only want people to agree with you? =/

[rasenth.livejournal.com]

Uhhh I don't understand why you tell Sasuke fans not to read this though. I mean, do you only want people to agree with you? =/
OH THE IRONY.

This just makes the Sasuke fans (which includes me!!! XD AND I'M DAMN PROUD OF IT) comment more. XD

I have a feeling Naruto has the idea that it is the Hokage's job to convert every single pathetic soul to obey his will or face the consequences... AKA being followed around incessantly and getting beaten/annoyed to submission.

D: stupid typos

[n4nuk4.livejournal.com]

XD Even though you had warning, and I'm a Sasuke fan (due to personal -cosplay- reasons) I must say that I atleast respect your point-of-view. And if anything, I understand. Originally I never liked him as much, not sure why - but eh? After reading quite a ways in..I saw things were focused quite a bit on him, OR more of the Uchiha clan actually. I never thought much of it until you've said something now, strange.

On a slightly funnier note; a few friends and I had seen a flash animation a few months ago with a chibi Naruto rambling on about how much he hates Sasuke, by default, but he got to the point where he said that it shouldn't even be called 'Naruto' anymore "all the fangirls would go out and say, 'omg I just got the new volume of Sasuke *flail*'" XD rofl!

Re: D: stupid typos

[elict.livejournal.com]

do you have a link to that one? i've seen something alike that, but then it was two flashes, one with naruto going on about how much he hates sasuke and one with sasuke telling that the series shoudl be named after him instead because he's so much better. if it's not the same ones we're thinking about, i'd very much like to see the one you know ^^

[kissing-off.livejournal.com]

Does anyone else besides me think that the manga's focusing a lot on Sasuke?
Well... yes and no.

Sure, he's appeared a lot, but that's because he's one of the most influential forces/characters in the manga. Naruto's putting his dream of becoming Hokage aside the "rescue" his ass... just think of it this way:
Without Sasuke, there would be no plot (or, rather, the plot would be much different. Sasuke's influence on Naruto is and has been huge throughout the series.)

As for Sasuke disappearing entirely from the manga... well that's absurd. His character is far to popular (and Kishimoto's fav).

And, yeah, he probably still can't take Itachi. (But he did attack Sai with a hand-sign-less genjustu, didn't he?) He's got potential and once Naruto uses his jesus powers we might see him on the side of good again. Yes, I'm an optimist when it comes to Sasuke.

[seki-yumizu.livejournal.com]

O_O hand-sign-less genjutsu?
did he? I thought it was his flowing chidori thing.
hand-sign-less yes, but not genjutsu ^^; Unless I missed out something...

[kunoichi-jaden.livejournal.com]

hehe, the "Sasuke fans stay away" warning is like a flame for moths. We'll come flying in XD

Anyway, you're exactly right about all his character traits (and that's why I like him, as opposed to him being a flat "good guy" or "bad guy",) but he's so deeply woven into the plot that getting rid of him (killing him without resolution, for instance) would leave a gaping hole in the plot. And you're right, Naruto and Sakura are obsessed with him, but that's because this manga is all about the bond of friendship and all that. ^^ Even if he doesn't deserve their attention, they're going to give it to him.

You're right about Itachi pwning him as well-- I'm convinced that's going to be one of Sasuke's big character lessons. It'll be something like "You betrayed all your friends, but you haven't gotten any better for it..."

So, cheers. Hope they don't claw at you. I'm reasonable, but I can't say the same for fangirls. XD

[midnight-jade.livejournal.com]

"You betrayed all your friends, but you haven't gotten any better for it..."

Wouldn't that be both pathetic and hilarious XDDD

[ill-ame.livejournal.com]

One thing you have to take into account is the fact that, while Orochimaru has stayed away from Konoha so far, he's still a definite threat. And Sasuke is his ultimate weapon. Of course they're going to try to retrieve him.

[midnight-jade.livejournal.com]

well there's a lot of reasons for the whole SASUKELURV in the manga so I'll just make bullets XD(I swear I'm not being lazy >__>;;)

- Konoha needs Sasuke back so Orochimaru doesn't get the Sharingan; Orochimaru would be able to copy other jutsus easier. Imagine the what kind of power he could have. it's all strategy baby. hence the whole "send sai to kill sasuke" thing.

- Naruto and Sakura are only the closest people to Sasuke. Which would (i guess) bring a higher chance of him coming back? (I know totally naive)

- The naruto writers will probably intertwine Sasuke, Akatsuki, Orochimaru, and Naruto gang into this whole "plotastic mess". which is why (I believe) there will be no fight between [Naruto/ sakura/ sai...etc] because Orochimaru/ Kabuto will appear and get the hell out of there with Sasuke. Also, the next time we will see everyone together is at the "final battle" where there's a whole freakin free-for-all. But yea, don't quote me on that >__>;;

- Every great story needs an emo boy?

But yea honestly Sasuke is still here because I think he will probably lead into the confrontation with the Akatsuki.

And also, I am by no means a sasuke fan and I couldn't give three shits about him XD. I just like all the jokes about him.

Naruto is my favorite character :3 ♥♥!!

[scarlet-elithea.livejournal.com]

I second that!!!

Naruto's my favorite character too!!! :3

^^x

[postcognitive.livejournal.com]

Yeah I agree he's gotten more arrogant, but that's the way he's always been, even back in Konoha. I think it's just the way he's hardwired. Now that he's under Orochimaru's tutelage and has the curse seal and the Pikachu powers, plus he hasn't seen exactly how much Naruto and Sakura have improved in these few years because he's been living in isolation, he doesn't have a standard to compare himself with, and therefore will think of himself as, you know, Speshul.

Regarding focus between Sasuke and the Akatsuki, the manga is centred around Naruto's life after all. The Akatsuki is after Naruto, sure, but Team 7 has probably been the first notion of family Naruto has ever had, outside of Iruka, and comparatively, getting Team 7 back into one piece is definitely more important than the Akatsuki is right now. Naruto has been shown to give his all when it comes to people who are important to him/people whom he can feel for at the expense of his own life, and Sasuke definitely fulfils this criteria.

Boy still needs to get taught a lesson regarding Itachi, though :3 As well as about life in general. I can't say his attitude isn't annoying me right now, because it is, but I hope it's going to get straightened out soon. (Because it has to be, right? D:)

[fork-my-eye.livejournal.com]

PIKACHU POWERS XD *thundershock* sasuke, i suppose does have reason to consider himself special, but he's always been that way anyway, just like you said with the arogance things. his personality traits have just grown >___> espeically the bad ones and stuff.

i guess naruto going after him is something naruto would never give up on >___> even though he already lost to him once. we havn't really seen alot of what her learned with jiraiya right? i mean... he just constantly goes kyuubi crazy all thetime now. and now (great. right in the middle of this fiasco) he decides to be all like "yo bitch, i don't need your powarrrz"

yea i guess he really does need to be straightened out in the end. i mean is kishimoto loves sasuke so much he can't just be a bad guy right? because they normally die off T___T so D: i guess something's got to happen to sasuke in the end. who knows what, though.

[sexytwist.livejournal.com]

Dur. How is the manga focusing on Sasuke? You are completely exaggerating. I mean, he just came back into the picture so yeah he's goin to be in the spotlight a bit. There's been no Sasuke since the time skip, with strong focuses on Sakura, Naruto, Akatsuki etc FOR MONTHS so after three chapters you are already whining about "a focus on Sasuke"? Chill.

[reservoir.livejournal.com]

Ditto.

[seki-yumizu.livejournal.com]

well... my opinion is that the manga centers around Naruto. And somewhat, Sasuke is Naruto's focus for the past 3, no, 2 and a half years. He's been training hard to get Sasuke back. So this is actually quite an important arc, concerning Naruto's mindset of hopes and dreams. Bringing Sasuke back is partly one of his dreams, and he himself has said, if he can't even bring his friend back to the right path, he is not fit to be Hokage (which is his lifelong and ultimate dream) I'm sure Akatsuki has its plans, they might go after the other Bijuu before coming for Naruto. As long as Naruto isn't in Konoha, Akatsuki will likely not attack Konoha, seeing as there are other strong nin in the village as well.

You know what? I dislike his arrogance and his inferior complex too XD Always have, even before the "Naruto I'm more special than you because I have wings and lipstick and look like Sonic the hedgehog" But what normal human doesn't want to feel more special when someone does better than them? XP

*runs from Sasuke fans*

[postcognitive.livejournal.com]

Naruto I'm more special than you because I have wings and lipstick and look like Sonic the hedgehog

DSAG LK;JDS;AGJ DSA XDDD

[disparue.livejournal.com]

I have a huge love/hate thing for Sasuke's character. On one hand, he is quite the asshole. On the other, he plays a vital part in the characterization of Naruto and Sakura. I'll give you that his relationship with them is extremely unhealthy, but really, there's hardly any relationships in the series that isn't.

I think this post (http://a-white-rain.livejournal.com/473492.html) by a_white_rain pretty much sums up how I think about Sasuke's role with the characters.

HOLY MOLEY LONG COMMENT.

[rasenth.livejournal.com]

OMG I'M A SASUKE FAN whutchagonnadoaboutit. XD

To be honest... it's mostly Naruto's fault that the manga is revolving around Sasuke. Sasuke's most important goal isn't to hurt his friends. He's aiming to kill Itachi and the only times he seems to get peeved and his friends is when they try to stop him (Valley of the End, and well... now?). Naruto's whole life purpose now seems to bring back Sasuke and he ain't gonna go even if all his limbs are ripped out (and I believe there's a whole damn speech to back that one up O_O) I'm kind of surprised people don't hate Naruto more by following Sasuke this far in the first place. XD

And people often forget... Itachi took away Sasuke's hopes and dreams before (I'm pretty sure your beloved brother wiping out your whole clan and family is pretty traumatizing enough, don't you say? >_>), and I believe Sasuke isn't going to rest easily until he defeats him. X_x; That obsessiveness to become stronger is the thing that spawns his egotism but every character has his flaws. XDDD

Sasuke disappearing from the manga? HARHAR. >_>; He's too intertwined with the plot. If Sasuke disappears, half of the plot would be gone right there. Yah, Naruto and Sakura are PRETTY DAMN OBSESSED with Sasuke (I pity Sasuke, having such freakishly persistent friends XD), but one of the huge themes of the manga is FRIENDSHIP and also that nobody (except.. Orochimaru? :DDD) is pure evil and can be redeemed AKA be converted by Naruto's Jesus powers. And plus, his brother is in the Akatsuki and wants to kidnap and technically kill his (former? XDD) friend Naruto and also he's training under Orochimaru who hates both Konohagakure and the Akatsuki... hell, Sasuke's connected to about almost everything in this story already. o__O

I'm one of the very few people who just WANTS Sasuke to go on and have his happy revenge. GO SASUKE! BE FREEEEEEEE!!!
Naruto, go do something else. D:

Re: HOLY MOLEY LONG COMMENT.

[ormery.livejournal.com]

The whole 'let Sasuke do what he wants' approach has always been something that's puzzled me slightly. Okay, yeah, sure, let him go and kill Itachi ... I don't think that would necessarily be very good for him, the important people now being more ... er, well, important than something negative like revenge ... but neither Naruto nor Sakura ever said he shouldn't kill Itachi. Heck, they'd probably offer to help (not, you know, that he'd really want or appreciate that at all). What they tried to stop him from doing was scurrying away to join Orochimaru, and love Orochimaru dearly though I do, I don't think that anyone can argue that that was a good idea – or that Sasuke was in his right mind when he made that decision.

[ormery.livejournal.com]

Meh, it always really bothers me when people get all SASUKE'S AN ARSEHOLE, SO NARUTO AND SAKURA SHOULD STOP CARING ABOUT HIM.

HEYGESSWUT.

They're all human beings. Yeah, they're fictional human beings, but the reason they're interesting fictional human beings is that they have flaws. In Sasuke's case, these are glaringly obvious and make you want to slap him, but that doesn't make him any less an interesting character (from where I'm standing, anyway), and because Naruto and Sakura are also flawed human beings, they're both willing to overlook the fact that he's a stupid ungrateful ponce, and would drag themselves to the ends of the earth to bring him back even if he doesn't appreciate it. Naruto doesn't give up. If he stopped looking for Sasuke, he wouldn't be Naruto any more.

And, you know ... of course Sasuke's in it a lot. Uhduh. He's the most important person in the world to the main character. And yes, stupid choice of important person – blah blah, insert Gaara quote here.

OF COURSE Sasuke's in it a lot. It would be completely out of character for Naruto and Sakura to go and bother the Akatsuki instead when the option to track Sasuke down presents itself.

And, eh, I don't think one can really devalue Sasuke as a character purely on the grounds that he's done some really stupid things and he's an arrogant wanker. If you knew him in real life, that would be a perfectly good reason to devalue him as a person (although really, you might want to cut him a little slack on account of all the shit that's happened to him), and to wonder why Naruto and Sakura don't give up on him already. But it's fiction, and that's not the perspective we're looking at it from. We can see quite clearly why Naruto and Sakura don't give up on him: they love him irrationally and unconditionally, and Naruto couldn't live with himself if there was someone he couldn't save, especially when it's someone as important to him as Sasuke. We can see quite clearly why Sasuke's so fucked up: having your whole family murdered by someone very dear to you who subsequently pays you no mind save to tell you you're weak and mentally torture you is bad enough, but two and a half years with Orochimaru and Kabuto on top of that isn't going to do anyone's mental stability any favours.

We're on the outside of all this, and we all get emotionally involved, but we can also appreciate the fact that Sasuke, despite being a bastard, is an interesting character and vital to Naruto's character development and to the progression of the plot. He can't be shunted to one side in favour of things that are actually less vital to the main character* just because you don't like him very much.

*Because Akatsuki is less vital to Naruto. They might be a more pressing threat to Konoha (although really, if Orochimaru got himself Sasuke's body, I doubt it'd result in rainbows and fluffy bunny-rabbits for Konoha), but that's not really what the series is about. It's about Naruto, individually, and while he may want to protect Konoha as well, for him the most immediate concern is Sasuke.

[annwyd.livejournal.com]

I'm only here to point and laugh at the Sasuke bashers, but your icons are glorious. If you don't mind, I'm stealing (and crediting) those two and the Kabuto one.

[fork-my-eye.livejournal.com]

that's what i don't agree with. and i'm a huge fan of naruto. why call it hopeless? it's oppinion.

[kemonomichi.livejournal.com]

I agree with you 100 %. That is all.

[fork-my-eye.livejournal.com]

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

you actually agree with me. I'm so happy. *cries and hugs you* seems like everyone else totally hates my oppinion and enjoys ripping me apart T___T

thank you. *is torn apart by everyone else*

by the way... your icon... IS AMAZING <3

[ellrohan.livejournal.com]

Well, I'm a big Sasuke fan and I'm being dragged reluctantly into the whole NaruSasuSaku threesome u__u damn you people! Sasuke is vital to the plot, Kishimoto didn't originally have a Sasuke and he said the idea was rejected because it wasn't really going anywhere, but the the addition of Sasuke (who yes, is annoying and mean XD) Naruto has a direction, a best rival and a best friend. If my best friend did something like Sasuke did I'd do a Naruto and bring her back and kick some sense into her and then feed her pr0n as compensation 8D Best friends aren't people you can easily forget.

Sasuke has to be speshul, that's just Sasuke. It makes him human. Many anime have a WANGST character, well, the ones I watched did, Digimon, Beyblade... And they were funny in their prissines as well (Kai and the axe lmao)

He's only been back for a little bit u__u We've had mountains of chapters about the Akatsuki and Gaara and Itachi and Kisame and Sasori-danna *wail* I missed him dearly, because Naruto isn't Naruto without Sasuke glaring in the background XD

[fork-my-eye.livejournal.com]

LOL your icon. i guess naruto would be completely different without him. and when i posted last night it was like 2:00 in the morning. it was horrible i was just so pissed off at sasuke. naruto, as a whole, wouldn't dbe the xact same thing without sasuke since he really is one of the main three characters. i dunno. i just got ripped apart by like 430598734 sasuke fans and i'm to tired to comment anymore ;_;

[heronite.livejournal.com]

You Do realize that without Sasuke posing an emotional challenge, the series would basically be like the fillers, right? XD

[a-white-rain.livejournal.com]

THAT'S A SCARY THOUGHT

[shinobi-genius.livejournal.com]

Want to know why he's the main focus of the manga?

Cuz he's a main character. Duh.

And there's not a chance that he's going to be leaving forever anytime soon. Wanting Sasuke to leave is like wanting Naruto to leave. So it really is too bad for people like you.

Seriously.

[fork-my-eye.livejournal.com]

sasuke and naruto are two totally different main characters. sasuke could die off because right now he's the bad guy. if naruto died... the manga would end. if sasuke died... there'd still be alot left to cover in the manga

[winterwing3000.livejournal.com]

I swore that the entire second part of Naruto was about rescuing Sasuke... *ponders* was I wrong? And the development of the bonds between all three members (maybe Kakashi jumps in later?) of Team 7. And you can't say that Sasuke's hogging the spotlight, he's the protagonist right now.

Arrogance. Been there, done that.

Sasuke's return is Sakura and Naruto's goal. That's why they trained to become stronger. They didn't just do it because they felt like it. And Sasuke's important to them, their friendship is what holds them together. Without one, the other two falls.

I'd wish that you would just look over how he's been acting and taking up the page space and truly examine him to see what's lying underneath the plot and text.

[magnet-dragon.livejournal.com]

IT'S MANGA. GROW THE HELL UP. o____O He's not going to leave forever just because you don't like him, and you don't have to rant about it.

Grrarrgh.

[fork-my-eye.livejournal.com]

sorry for having an oppinion and wanting to express it to see if anyone felt the same way.

[emo-sasuke.livejournal.com]

Dude, I have been waiting TOO LONG for Sasuke to finally come back. And he brought along some nice SasuNaru stuff I have been totally lacking, same with doujinshi artists and now they are drawing stuff like crazy. Especially one of my fav circles I thought was like, dead...I don't want him to go anywhere =/ In fact, I'm worried that after this 'fight' he will leave and all will suck again.

Anyway, I know he seems to be hogging the spotlight and has major badass moves that Naruto seems to be lacking for whatever reasons...but Naruto will get his time and I'm sure there will be a village fight where all of the minor chars participate. And I guess I'm not bothered so much because the manga has always been this way anyway.

[fork-my-eye.livejournal.com]

your icon ;_; it's so cute! wasss *glomps itachi* don't worry i think after this fight, sasuke will still be around. *takes a look at the other comments* if i were to say anything else i'd get mauled by other sasuke fans again XD

i think... that sasuke will be around for a long time to come... probably to the end of the manga.

[tiasian.livejournal.com]

I understand how you feel, somewhat.

It does feel like there's been a little too much focus on Sasuke... overall, that is. The parts of the manga that focused on Team 7 tended to be a lot more about Sasuke than about Team 7, I think - but that's shonen manga for you, I guess. It's a little frustrating because I do not find Sasuke to be a particularly good character, but... there you go.

I don't wish he was gone from the manga, however - there's just been too much buildup and everything.

[ormery.livejournal.com]

Well, I dunno, as wank goes this is pretty weak so far.

... so far.